tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post5108878831493811400..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: CONFLICTED IN HILTON HEAD ABOUT THE EF MASS!?!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10635040427238169772017-03-20T17:49:25.015-04:002017-03-20T17:49:25.015-04:00Father, would you really not sit at a Requiem Mass...Father, would you really not sit at a Requiem Mass while the schola sang the Gradual, Tract and Sequence? The congregation are seated and only stand for the Gospel. Why stand at the altar with nothing to do?<br /><br />In the OF you would be at the chair anyway. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88987720340078999372017-03-20T16:29:13.158-04:002017-03-20T16:29:13.158-04:00Until the EF crowd accepts the value of Sacrosanct...Until the EF crowd accepts the value of Sacrosanctum Concilium, and until the OF crowd accepts all the riches of the Roman liturgical tradition, we will never settle any of these disputes. We'll just keep being either defensive or meddlesome. I pray for wisdom. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68980136669902001862017-03-20T15:38:43.636-04:002017-03-20T15:38:43.636-04:00Personally, I would prefer the celebrant and choir...Personally, I would prefer the celebrant and choir to chant together the Ordinary and Proper much like the celebrant may recite these parts of the Mass with the laity in a Dialogue Mass. However, this is only a preference. I find that when I defend this practice, I fall into the "linear" mindset that Yvonne mentioned. This feels like an acceptance of the thought process that animated the replacement of the traditional Offertory Prayers with new constructions that do not mention the Sacred Host and Chalice before the Consecration. Also, this mindset is foreign to what I know about ancient liturgies that often contain duplications, but were accepted because the Sacred Liturgy is a mystical and not always completely understood action. Adam Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43347821920127426712017-03-20T14:03:51.869-04:002017-03-20T14:03:51.869-04:00When I first started attending the EF High Mass th...When I first started attending the EF High Mass there were a few things I needed to get used to, this being one of them. I would ask myself "what am I supposed to pay attention to?" and went back and forth between reading from the missal and praying with the choir. I finally realized that it didn't matter which I did, as I was praying the Mass either way. I now pray with the choir when they pray with the priest, and pray with the priest when the priest and the choir are not in sync. If I don't have a missal with me, I would happily pray with the choir the entire Mass, as this speaks to a different part of me.<br /><br />I have been told, and have found this to be true, that the mindset for the OF, which is where I come from, and the EF Masses are different. I find the OF is more linear and the EF has more going on at once and, as a result, is more mystical. Many things happening at once in the EF contributes to this atmosphere.<br /><br />Now, after attending for months, if you were to ask me if I would want the priest and the choir to always be in sync I would be very hesitant to agree. My guess is that if I were to be asked again in a few months, I would say 'no'. I'm finding my own mindset to be changing, as I learn to appreciate the once odd but now beautiful nuances of the EF.Yvonnenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88636724452860645152017-03-20T13:05:20.715-04:002017-03-20T13:05:20.715-04:00The priests on Hilton head are saying the mass cor...The priests on Hilton head are saying the mass correctly. All the traditional societies say mass this way, FSSP, ICKSP,IBP, SSPX etc.Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-77518215228201770122017-03-20T12:08:17.645-04:002017-03-20T12:08:17.645-04:00The parallelism of "parallel tracts" in ...<br /><br />The parallelism of "parallel tracts" in the traditional Mass is regarded by many (including me) as one of its glories. Personal opinions may differ, but they are all irrelevant to proper ars celebranda. <br /><br />It is altogether improper for you, any priest, or anyone else to put into practice his own personal opinions about the rubrics of the Mass. You should never forget, even for a moment, that you are the humble servant of the liturgy, not its master. And the priest standing at the altar can present no greater personal gift than his humility and obedience.<br /><br />The faithful in the pews routinely see clerical opinions inflicted on them in the Novus Ordo. They deserve to be utterly and totally free in a traditional Mass of any manifestation of the individuality of the priest who as serving in persona Christi, and not as himself.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84223524547529520942017-03-20T11:49:07.727-04:002017-03-20T11:49:07.727-04:00Sitting: I have seen it both ways and believe it i...Sitting: I have seen it both ways and believe it is an allowable option. Same for the kneeling during Credo: usually get a twofer at High Mass. There are other examples. We have priests from various backgrounds and as such they may be faster, louder, or more easily understood. When the schola is there I have place holder that keeps me in the right place. I can read the section, or recite it and meditate on it as the choir catches up. If I have no missal then I can 'sing' along with the Ordinary parts and listen to the seasonal and daily parts.<br /><br />I like the parallel tracks of the sung Mass. Depending on where I sit I can keep up if the priest's actions are obscured. I also listen for pronunciation when I know we have a top notch schola master. My typical section is among the local college professors, lawyers, and aged worshipers who have a low, but understandable recitation of key parts, e.g. Credo. It helps me learn and keep pace as well as expand my awareness and focus especially for personal intentions. I think it is a wonderful and helpful device. <br /><br />At our parish the Ordinary is always Latin, as are the readings. The Epistle and Gospel are read again, in English, to kick off the homily. It is assumed everybody knows the Ordinary well enough that these are the only parts that need translation. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-72513570807354145022017-03-20T11:17:20.534-04:002017-03-20T11:17:20.534-04:00Can you say, "Needless repetitions"?Can you say, "Needless repetitions"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com