tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post5021916405076429211..comments2024-03-28T18:02:12.286-04:00Comments on southern orders: A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST AS A PREREQUISITE FOR THE NEW EVANGELIZATIONFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21936631896858913012013-11-29T22:43:57.056-05:002013-11-29T22:43:57.056-05:00Sacred music does not come from a specific era, is...Sacred music does not come from a specific era, is not exclusively sung in Latin, and does not follow one particular musical style (chant). <br /><br />Inculturation does not mean that one style "trumps" another. It means that the Church understands that the traditional Roman liturgy is not attached exclusively to one style of music or architecture or vesture or . . . . <br /><br />The Eurocentrism that dominated the liturgy ended with collapse of colonialism. As upsetting (to put it mildly) as the demise of that system was, in the end it is beneficial to the Church and all her members, most of whom are not European.Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-92028008181873585162013-11-29T22:14:40.964-05:002013-11-29T22:14:40.964-05:00It is official: I hate auto correct on these tiny ...It is official: I hate auto correct on these tiny iPhone screens. If it is not disabled, then "I urge caution". rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41554111972079576392013-11-29T20:28:59.635-05:002013-11-29T20:28:59.635-05:00Getting back to liturgy and restoring the sense of...Getting back to liturgy and restoring the sense of the Sacred, I need someone to enlighten me regarding Sacrosanctum Concilium and music at Mass. My understanding of the document is that it shows a strong preference for "the treasure of Sacred music." If my reading of this aspect of SC is correct then how could the principle of "inculturation" outweigh this preference for Sacred music in a typical English-speaking American parish, even in the South?<br /><br />More specifically, why wouldn't the use of, say, the "Simple English Propers" at Mass in place of hymns (especially those of the "Glory and Praise" genre) be more in accordance with the priorities of Sacrosanctum Concilium? Please help me on this one . . .Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60282980297007326382013-11-29T17:24:22.753-05:002013-11-29T17:24:22.753-05:00Yes, RCG, Aristotle and Newton urged causation as ...Yes, RCG, Aristotle and Newton urged causation as well. I am personally also in favor of it. Certainly beats constant conjunction or the radical skepticism of Berkley or Hume.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11617812922997636702013-11-29T17:09:28.771-05:002013-11-29T17:09:28.771-05:00rcg - I think I agree with your understanding of w...rcg - I think I agree with your understanding of what many Christians mean when they speak of "a personal relationship with Jesus." <br /><br />Too often I find that the "personal relationship" consists of a one-time "accepting Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior," as if this is fully accomplished by a one-time expression of faith. <br /><br />I think many fallen-away Catholics have been unwilling or unable to accept the Catholic Church's teaching on divorce and remarriage. I doubt they think they wield power over God; rather they find it less demanding to adhere to the expectations of other churches.<br /><br />Almost certainly, Protestant churches are better at welcoming newcomers, at being hospitable to visitors, or to helping develop friendships between/among members of their churches. Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75054044537352336802013-11-29T16:38:00.953-05:002013-11-29T16:38:00.953-05:00I think the way many of the Protestants mean this ...I think the way many of the Protestants mean this personal relationship is really a sort of superstition where they have a power derived from that relationship that they can wield. It is actually a sort of a belief that they have a power over God that is at the root of many of the abuses Catholics have surfed over the centuries. I urge causation. I think that the people you met who were lapsed Catholics who were attracted to this personal relationship speaks not to a shortcoming of the Church, but the strength the the attraction of this heresy. <br /><br />I am coming around to the wisdom or proselytization through example first and words last. It is a sort of Montessori Evangelisation. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22421987068142911772013-11-29T12:27:02.373-05:002013-11-29T12:27:02.373-05:00I think what issues(in many cases) the Holy Father...I think what issues(in many cases) the Holy Father speaks to and how he addresses those issues is through the prism of his Argentine experience which is really the Latin American experience.<br />This is true whether he speaks to economic or spiritual issues.<br />The countries of South and Central America are all predominately Catholic countries. <br />When the Pope speaks, he is first and foremost addressing Catholics, both generally in the world at large, but also more specifically to particular regions of the world. <br />Listen to what the Holy Father has said and read what he has written. There is much that applies to each catholic individual, that is true. How much of what he has spoken and written to would apply to what is going on in Africa versus what is and has been happening<br />in Central and South America(as far as the Faith goes)? The situation of the Catholic church in Europe has some parallel to the Church in Latin America except in Europe the situation of the Church is even more dire. In Africa and parts of Asia the Church is doing much better although there are other challenges on those continents.<br />In Latin America, many Catholics have been leaving the Faith and joining Protestant communities. This is especially true in poorer areas where Evangelicals and others have<br />been going into these areas and "setting up shop", providing services the government(unlike in this country) either doesn't provide or does so in a very minimal way. It is a scandal how the poor subsist in these Catholic countries versus how it is for them in the predominately Protestant U.S. The protestants have gone in to fill that vacuum<br />and (no surprise) thay have made many converts.<br /><br />Still, each Catholic should reflect on those things the Holy Father has said and written<br />(which have a specific relevance)and reflect on how they can be applied and acted on both individually and in the parish. For instance, how do we serve people within our own parish<br />who are having difficulties( financial etc.)? Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81888258470158275742013-11-29T11:32:21.199-05:002013-11-29T11:32:21.199-05:00Agreed, Henry.
Fr. Z: "Save the liturgy, sav...Agreed, Henry. <br />Fr. Z: "Save the liturgy, save the world"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30608268512579527722013-11-29T11:00:17.199-05:002013-11-29T11:00:17.199-05:00Is it not obvious that the new evangelization will...Is it not obvious that the new evangelization will not get of the ground and anywhere until our bishops unite in placing first priority on recovering the sacred in the liturgy which--today more than eve--is the primary contact of Catholics with Church and Christ?<br /><br />(If so, it seems to me that, however interesting all these discussions of other issues of Church direction and policy--however interesting to aficionados and professional Catholics--are rather pointless and ineffectual.)<br /><br />But what can spur the bishops to recognize the liturgy as "source and summit". Despite the best intentions of both, Pope Benedict obviously failed to do so, and Pope Francis appears to have other priorities. Perhaps we must await a future pope with the insight of Benedict, the charisma of Francis, and a strong hand to get it done.Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27529320634369768532013-11-29T08:46:46.959-05:002013-11-29T08:46:46.959-05:00I 10000 times agree with Gene. I also grew up in v...I 10000 times agree with Gene. I also grew up in various Protestant sects in the Deep South, and if any one bit of that theology, especially the emotional drivin stuff comes into the Church, adios to anything seemingly Catholic, and it will become too "Catholic looking" for these even further protestanised Catholics. I have also been to several Pentecostal churches, and this is something I think the Church should stay very far away from, this is my own personal opinion after having been, it's not hard to see it is completely emotion driven. <br />I'm still convinced that to even have a new evangelization that actually works..we need to make our liturgy more Catholic, not less. And Fr., I think for the first time I'm going to have to disagree with you on Inculturation, ESPECIALLY as regulated by the bishops conferences, this would be a complete disaster as they are overwhelmingly progressive, this is obvious. <br />These are just my 2cents Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41364325994314865912013-11-29T06:46:15.489-05:002013-11-29T06:46:15.489-05:00This is a slippery slope which almost always leads...This is a slippery slope which almost always leads to emotionalism and a banal, self-absorbed theology. I grew up in the Southern Baptist church, then became Presbyterian in college in order to flee the Baptist emotionalism and was ultimately a Calvinist pastor for 20 years. There was less of this in Calvinism, but it was still around. As a rule, all this puerile "Jesus talk" makes me think the song "Feelings" should be in every prot. hymnal.<br />No meaningful theology is predicated upon emotion. Even the most personal and passionate prayers and ecstasies of the Saints and the Church Fathers were solidly grounded inside the solid walls of Catholic doctrine and the structure of the Liturgy. This structure protects us from the vagaries of feelings and the subjectivism that is the enemy of dogma and true faith and worship.<br />We need to be careful; I foresee a new rise in charismatic worship, something about which we should all be concerned.<br /><br />Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.com