tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post480316688827697515..comments2024-03-28T12:59:52.914-04:00Comments on southern orders: BOMBSHELL! POPE BENEDICT XVI IN WAINING DAYS OF HIS PAPACY KEEPS THEM COMING!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29074640221050634852013-02-15T10:34:05.057-05:002013-02-15T10:34:05.057-05:00I don't get Andy's objections to the 1965 ...I don't get Andy's objections to the 1965 Missal. There's no "experimentation" in it. It's in the vernacular and simplifies some of the rubrics and eliminates some repitition. But there is no experimentation like having people hold hands and shake hands and adding protestant influences. Bugnini's Novus Ordo is the "experimentation"... the "Frankenmass". The 1965 Missal is more like a natural revision of the 1962 Missal guided by Vatican II. As Father said, put the 65 Order of the Mass into the currant Roman Missal (supressing the Bugini Order of the Mass)... that could be the greatest thing Benedict could do as his last act as pope... or it would be a perfect way to start the next pontificate. Keep in mind, although it wasn't intended to be, the 65 Order was a transitional Order bridging the TLM to the NO. I doubt the Church will ever be able to go back exclusively to the TLM Order without another transitional period first.<br /><br />Step 1: replace the Bugnini Order with the 65 Order in the OF Roman Missal.<br /><br />Step 2: create a single calendar for both forms, OF and EF, similar to the new Anglican Use calendar.<br /><br />Step 3: the Missal of Blessed John XXIII (slightly altered to include a psalm and a second reading in the Mass of the catechumens) with the new calendar becomes the only form of Mass. OF and EF are redefined to mean: OF = Mass in vernacular with some Latin, and EF = Mass in full Latin.Vannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30336808292674196622013-02-14T17:05:39.008-05:002013-02-14T17:05:39.008-05:00Father, you are incorrect... This link details, no...Father, you are incorrect... This link details, not only the ordinary of the 1965 Missal, but the changes, as well:<br /><br />http://www.coreyzelinski.8m.com/1965_Mass/<br /><br />And, I disagree with Andy to an extent. Return should be made to the pre-1955 Missal before the Modernists started their incessant tinkering. But, that will never happen...Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22124640355574616832013-02-14T15:58:39.515-05:002013-02-14T15:58:39.515-05:00The 1965 missal is the 1962 missal, that is well t...The 1965 missal is the 1962 missal, that is well translated into English, but the 1965 missal all in Latin is the 1962 missal except for the Passion week prayers at the foot of the altar extended to other days and the minor change at the per ipsum and the suppression of the Last Gospel. So what's the big deal?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27111930133992004562013-02-14T15:53:23.056-05:002013-02-14T15:53:23.056-05:00ytc,
It isn't though. It is merely a hodgepo...ytc,<br /><br />It isn't though. It is merely a hodgepodge of what the reformers thought they might like to see.<br /><br />It is exactly what the liturgy is not. An experiment. The Mass isn't something to be constantly tinkered with and since 1965, that is exactly what we've had, tinkering. Now, the problem is that the tinkering has become the norm.<br /><br />If we are to have a Reform of the Reform, of which I am not necessarily 100% convinced is necessary, it should simply start with the 1962 Missal and be reworked in light of Benedict's hypotheses and theories.<br /><br />I say that I am not 100% convinced, because I don't necessarily know if there is a need for a Reform of the Reform. I am almost convinced that a simple restoration of the TLM is all that is necessary. I am quickly coming to the thought that a Reform of the Reform may simply be more tinkering. To have an editio quarta, isn't anything more than more tinkering...and that serves no purpose.<br /><br />The TLM is the fastest growing segment in the Church today. Much faster than the East and certainly much faster than the Novus Ordo...I think that moving to what works is simply the best.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03009356356243871772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84870221691632842432013-02-14T15:17:45.141-05:002013-02-14T15:17:45.141-05:00andy, the fascination with the 65 order is that it...andy, the fascination with the 65 order is that it is a 500% improvement over the 69 order. also the rubrics of the 69 are ridiculously loose so as to be absolutely ineffectiveytcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39212786239220634612013-02-14T15:11:31.217-05:002013-02-14T15:11:31.217-05:00The 1965 Missal wasn't ever intended to be any...The 1965 Missal wasn't ever intended to be anything other than experimentation. I don't see the fascination with it?<br /><br />Why can't we just go back and do it right from the beginning and simply scrap that which is banal, fabricated, and on-the-spot. It is clear that this pontiff's view is not flattering to the liturgical action as envisioned by Paul VI, Bugnini, and the Consilium.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03009356356243871772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71500719379241808752013-02-14T14:59:20.233-05:002013-02-14T14:59:20.233-05:00Actually, he could simply give us the 1965 order o...Actually, he could simply give us the 1965 order of the Mass applied to the 2012 Roman Missal that we have in English or Latin. That would be very simple and not require undoing the new texts of the Mass in the reformed order. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48553142443735149972013-02-14T14:44:26.277-05:002013-02-14T14:44:26.277-05:00Here's one more bombshell for you:
http://rora...Here's one more bombshell for you:<br /><a href="http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/a-last-chance-for-sspx-plus-sspx-in.html" rel="nofollow">http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/a-last-chance-for-sspx-plus-sspx-in.html</a><br /><br />Last chance for the SSPX - resume talks with The Holy See by Feb 22, or else the Holy See will begin offering reconcillitaion and full communion to individual priests (and presumably laymen also) of the SSPX.Dan Znoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14090602782827182572013-02-14T14:22:26.141-05:002013-02-14T14:22:26.141-05:00Wouldn't it be something if Benedict's fin...Wouldn't it be something if Benedict's final act as Pope were to supress the Bugnini fabricated Order of the Mass, and replace it with the 1965 Vernacular Order of the Mass for the Ordinary Form. Please God, give your servent Benedict the courage and determination to do this!Anonymous in Archdiocese of Detroitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83730869118011759482013-02-14T13:08:47.487-05:002013-02-14T13:08:47.487-05:00Wow, this was a bold speech. Are we sure it was Hi...Wow, this was a bold speech. Are we sure it was His Holiness who said this? Sounds like a declaration Bishop Fellay would give. Perhaps there really is a chance of the Lefebvrist Society coming back before the 28th.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com