tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post46796525846930173..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: THE NEW MEDIAS, CATHOLICS AND OTHERWISE AND INTENTIONAL DISINFORMATION ABOUT POPE FRANCISFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84209827096757925622013-03-19T01:41:52.741-04:002013-03-19T01:41:52.741-04:00This pope seems like a nice man and had said some ...This pope seems like a nice man and had said some very good things. However it seems like many Catholics and even the press are imposing a "persona" on this pope as a sort of template by which they are trying to define him. We want so badly to believe how great he is that we are over-interpreting every little gesture of his and giving them exaggerated importance.<br /><br />I think we should step back and watch. Let him speak for himself and be himself. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88455471306102158222013-03-18T20:36:58.279-04:002013-03-18T20:36:58.279-04:00This is the first time that I have written about m...This is the first time that I have written about my impression of Pope Francis's liturgical style. My thought are similar to yours, Father. He is not a liturgist. While, of course, he has thought much about the liturgy, he hasn't done so the way Benedict or other liturgical theologians have. He is simply celebrating the liturgy as he knows how. I have to say, if I went to a mass like the one we saw in the Sistine Chapel or the one we saw in Santa Anna, I would consider it a very "high church," very solemn mass. Sure, I like the program that Benedict was trying to advance. I agreed with almost every liturgical decision that he made. I wish his program had gone further. But Francis, I think, is not really trying to advance a liturgical program at all. He is trying to do mass as he always has (which, it seems to me, is reverent and according to the norms). While I am sure Monsignor Marini is losing some sleep over the differences in style and emphasis, I still think that the papal masses we have seen thus far under Francis have been great examples of reverently, faithfully celebrated liturgies. I know he can't sing. I know he can't genuflect. But those aren't required to be reverent or to be according to the norms (you can't make someone who can't genuflect genuflect). I don't think there is a program here. I don't think he is making small changes now so that he can make big changes later. I think he is a strong man who has already made the changes he wants to make. What we see is what we are going to get. And, the way I see it, what we are getting is not liturgically bad. It isn't what I would do if I were the pope, but it isn't bad. The Roman Liturgy: noble and simple. You can emphasize either side of the coin and still be Catholic. Steven Surrencynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84212631140889551582013-03-18T14:59:09.219-04:002013-03-18T14:59:09.219-04:00Wsquared: Good point about being scared. It means...Wsquared: Good point about being scared. It means he is sane and understands the enormity of the task. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30690272029656388742013-03-18T12:07:27.080-04:002013-03-18T12:07:27.080-04:00By the way, I did see the Holy Father's papal ...By the way, I did see the Holy Father's papal Mass at St. Anna's parish. I also heard his first Angelus.<br /><br />I don't think there is anything to freak out over. It was all simple and reverent. One thing I am not sensing from Pope Francis is any idea that humble equals hokey (which is probably the other side of the coin where ornate does not equal decadent, either). Regarding the Angelus, the address itself was in Italian, but the Angelus was prayed in Latin, as was the apostolic blessing. Sure, I miss the way Benedict would chant that blessing in a voice that was humble and yet confident, but perhaps our current Holy Father can't chant, and knows it. And so what? I'm just glad that the Angelus prayer and the blessing were in the mother tongue of Mother Church. That's the way it should be, especially given that I'm not sure Francis will give his addresses in several languages like Benedict did.<br /><br />I'm not sure I agree with you, Father McDonald, that Italian should be the language of the liturgy, but I appreciate an Italian Mass all the same. I used to attend Mass in Italian pretty regularly at one time (I'm an Asian lass who came of age as a teen in an Italian neighborhood where immigrants from Italy were recent, and where people still spoke Italian). So Pope Francis's Mass brought back many fond memories, and his simple, but profound, homily reminds me of the Italian priest who married my husband and me-- no, our nuptial Mass was not in Italian, but our priest struck the same homiletic notes and chords in either Italian or English. And I think I do know what you mean by "relating to the laity in a very Italian way." I've grown up with Italian priests like that, and their Masses always had a sense of being "close to the people" without any sense that being "close to the people" means bringing Woodstock to the altar, whereby there is hardly any humility involved when anyone thinks that their perfect Church would consist only of people like themselves and the poor.<br /><br />Anonymous, come on: any man who accepts the Petrine Office knows the weight on his shoulders. So I wouldn't exactly blame him for looking or feeling kinda scared. While a Pope should not be painfully timid or paralyzed by fear, I think we'd have more to worry about if we had a Pope who was not a bit afraid, and who promises us more than he can deliver (Pope Benedict XVI knew his limits, especially given the example of John Paul II, such that he told young pilgrims, "I can't be that Pope for you, but I will do my best!" I suspect that Pope Francis knows his limits, also). What would deeply trouble and irritate me, for example, would be if any Holy Father of ours conducted himself the way Barack Obama or many of our politicians do: a lot of that comes off as phony. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the introvert-extrovert thing, anyway. It only matters that our Holy Father is genuine, and Benedict and Francis just go about being genuine in different ways. People of good will do notice that. They did with Benedict, and they will with Francis.WSquarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15303274143128249432013-03-18T11:19:54.954-04:002013-03-18T11:19:54.954-04:00Gee. The Italian press is usually so accurate.Gee. The Italian press is usually so accurate.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-55242975197188159942013-03-18T09:53:59.643-04:002013-03-18T09:53:59.643-04:00Pope Francis an extrovert?? Go to Youtube and com...Pope Francis an extrovert?? Go to Youtube and compare the elections of Francis and Benedict. Benedict is all smiles and waving and joyful. Francis is stiff and motionless as a cardboard cutout and looks like a deer in headlights.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-9257393302612119452013-03-18T07:25:14.919-04:002013-03-18T07:25:14.919-04:00This was a good article in the Wall Street Journal...This was a good article in the Wall Street Journal explaining some of the smear being from the Argentinian government and endorsed newspaper.<br />http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324077704578362701947035938.html?ru=yahoo?mod=yahoo_itpqwiknesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439450727837308035noreply@blogger.com