tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post4564900607626428013..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: LAW AND ORDER AT MASS--NOT YOUR GRANDFATHER'S LAW AND ORDER THOUGHFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11168242693558592252017-02-25T11:13:43.955-05:002017-02-25T11:13:43.955-05:00Social justice = use government coercion to steal ...Social justice = use government coercion to steal from the productive and give to the non-productive. I don't recall where Jesus advocated this? I thought charity was something done on an individual basis.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-9881201179765268042017-02-24T11:05:56.794-05:002017-02-24T11:05:56.794-05:00The term "social justice" is a non-Bibli...The term "social justice" is a non-Biblical and theologically meaningless term. I wish the Church had never used it. There is only one justice in Holy Scripture, and that is God's justice...spoken of by Amos and Incarnate in Jesus Christ. Surely, no one believes that the justice spoken of by Amos is the same justice meted out by the courts or reflected in the frequent idiocies and failures of Congress. Sometimes the Church is a little weak on Biblical theology as it intersects culture.Genenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-9047702298784294272017-02-22T15:36:52.898-05:002017-02-22T15:36:52.898-05:00Yes, one can be for social justice and stand by tr...Yes, one can be for social justice and stand by traditional teachings at the same time. In fact, I would go so far as to say that they cannot possibly be mutually exclusive for a true Catholic. No organization stands for social justice the way the Church does.<br /><br />However, too many bishops, WAY too many, hit their wall with the social justice and can't seem to bring in the traditional teachings and morality to their realm of thinking. What immediately comes to mind is a well-known archbishop being told in a public forum that someone is a homosexual and applauding that person. Perhaps he wanted to assure the person that the Church doesn't hate gay people, which is fine. But to applaud it? That sends a very, very wrong and dangerous message and that message was picked up all over the Catholic side of the internet. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36382698511177988372017-02-21T13:04:24.347-05:002017-02-21T13:04:24.347-05:00Anonymous, you can be for "social justice&quo...Anonymous, you can be for "social justice" and stand by traditional moral teachings at the same time---they are not mutually exclusive. Sometimes "shouting the loudest" doesn't convert many people and can backfire. Our bishop here in Atlanta does speak on social justice---especially the touchy issue of immigration---but that hardly means he embraces abortion on demand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46064524570172677072017-02-20T23:24:52.448-05:002017-02-20T23:24:52.448-05:00I understand your request that I name names, but, ...I understand your request that I name names, but, out of respect for the office of bishop, I will not. You can recognize them by their fruits. You can recognize them by what they say. You can recognize the weak ones who harp on "social justice" issues until they sound like broken records, but don't raise their voices in defense of what the Church has always taught. You can recognize the bishops who all but embrace the gay agenda in the name of "welcoming the least among us" or some other such doublespeak. You can recognize the bishops who defend bad priests and keep them in place in spite of continued outcry from the pews--frequently defending them as "exemplary" or using some other lie. And you can recognize the bishops who never stop asking for money. How many of these same bishops openly let us know about their personal income or where they reside or what kind of perks they enjoy with their office or in their retirement?<br /><br />Lastly, I'll say that if you are looking for examples, you don't have to go far to find them. <br /><br />Draw your own conclusions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7135536227909783342017-02-20T18:33:33.729-05:002017-02-20T18:33:33.729-05:00Well anonymous at 1011, give us some specific exam...Well anonymous at 1011, give us some specific examples of bad or lousy prelates? The process is so secret for selecting them, the public never really knows what was the criteria in selecting ABC for XYZ Diocese. When I war growing up, Atlanta's second archbishop was Thomas Donnellan, who had served as bishop of some diocese of upstate New York. I don't think he had ever stepped foot in Atlanta in the 54 years of his life before he came here.<br /><br />I know we are not congregational in government, nor should we be, but it seems like an inordinate amount of our parish money---maybe a third---leaves the parish for the diocesan office in one way or another---school subsidies, seminaries, whatever. Perhaps why eyes gaze over when we hear about our annual appeal up here in north Georgia. I don't think you see as high a percentage of parish funds going to the bishop's office in the Episcopal Church. I have supported our one up here in Atlanta, and its worthwhile causes, but I'd be more enthusiastic if it were a "goal" and not a "demand."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-65098088616131878992017-02-20T17:40:44.614-05:002017-02-20T17:40:44.614-05:00Some of those bishops should have gone to the slam...Some of those bishops should have gone to the slammer. Not reporting alleged sexual abuse of a minor is a crime, period.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81251941583850309912017-02-20T10:11:13.308-05:002017-02-20T10:11:13.308-05:00We are obliged to respect the office of bishop.
H...We are obliged to respect the office of bishop.<br /><br />However, I think it would be hard to think of a time in the last century when the church had as many weak, corrupt or just plain lousy bishops as we do now. The 2002 sex abuse scandal has still not been justly resolved because too many powerful men in the USCCB protected their own and until we get a new breed of bishop, it will continue. Recent appointments by the pope indicate that such a change isn't coming any time soon.<br /><br />So we must continue to respect the office that is held by men who are very hard to respect. Maybe quietly suffering unjustly while our Church is dismantled before our very eyes is the penance God calls us to in our time. But let's be honest: The current situation stinks and writing a check to your diocese isn't going to fix it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68563100964537281512017-02-20T09:00:09.330-05:002017-02-20T09:00:09.330-05:00We had an audio last week at my Atlanta parish, at...We had an audio last week at my Atlanta parish, at the end of which the archbishop asks the parishioners to follow the instructions of their pastor (even when he is not celebrating Mass, as our has not been recently because of ill health) and fill out their pledge cards. While we hear what the "goal" is in terms of what the parish raises for the annual appeal, it is not really a goal but a "demand"---raise it or else the archbishop will get it anyway from the parish collection. When did dioceses start doing these appeals? I don't remember them growing up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1745160341125655052017-02-20T07:33:40.569-05:002017-02-20T07:33:40.569-05:00As Catholics, we follow our bishops. It seems per...As Catholics, we follow our bishops. It seems perfectly reasonable for bishops to use modern means to communicate their instructions to the whole flock. As for the error in this case, someone needs to be fired or removed as a volunteer.Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50856678133754023382017-02-19T17:36:03.962-05:002017-02-19T17:36:03.962-05:00Given the same old dog and pony show about the nee...Given the same old dog and pony show about the needs of the diocese and how compassionate everyone at the top is, I think I'd rather watch Law and order.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-865518488802919812017-02-19T17:17:29.874-05:002017-02-19T17:17:29.874-05:00Father McDonald, you might enjoy watching this rep...Father McDonald, you might enjoy watching this report:<br /><a href="https://youtu.be/CHmX8IZbpxs" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/CHmX8IZbpxs</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-17447343944773841992017-02-19T15:31:31.548-05:002017-02-19T15:31:31.548-05:00Gene,
Please, don't give them any ideas!!!Gene,<br /><br />Please, don't give them any ideas!!!TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56152290832393596902017-02-19T10:28:47.735-05:002017-02-19T10:28:47.735-05:00At least it wasn't gay porn...At least it wasn't gay porn...Genenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21956849838973582972017-02-19T10:07:17.873-05:002017-02-19T10:07:17.873-05:00Why not set it up in the gym? Because Catholic ar...Why not set it up in the gym? Because Catholic are lazy and won't walk 50 yards to hear a message from their bishop, about school tuition, to buy donuts from the youth group or cookies from the girl scouts, that's why.<br /><br />And if you think they read bulletin inserts and act on them, then you have little experience of the relationship between Catholics and their church bulletins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4167006383196055082017-02-19T09:46:20.725-05:002017-02-19T09:46:20.725-05:00The whole use of audio visual technology at Mass s...The whole use of audio visual technology at Mass smacks of amateurishness. I have never seen it that it didnt seem out of place and inappropriate. Our priest simply stated, in his jolly Midwestern way, that we don't do that here and then read bits from the letter and explained the goals of the appeal. <br /><br />In a previous parish we had Martin Sheen send his recorded appeal. He is a local boy who still holds some sway.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-92091476047476159992017-02-19T09:32:26.919-05:002017-02-19T09:32:26.919-05:00How nice. It is so edifying to see that some many ...How nice. It is so edifying to see that some many Catholics take their Faith so seriously. God forbid that the celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass be sober, dignified and prayerful. If the message from the bishop is all that important then why not have it set up in the gym and invite people over to see it, discuss it and get to know each other. And for those who don't care to go and see the video have a bulletin insert for them to read. But I guess all of those suggestions involve REAL caring and preparation. So let's just F up the Mass as usual. Boy the fruits of that Council just keep falling off that tree. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com