tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post4462353545168619084..comments2024-03-19T04:12:56.543-04:00Comments on southern orders: IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LIKE A DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY, HELL BENT ON SEPARATION AND DIVORCE? YES! AT LEAST THOSE WHO ARE MORE INFLUENCED BY THE WORLD THAN BY GOD!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60941946689647906092013-03-23T19:28:36.779-04:002013-03-23T19:28:36.779-04:00Look it up.
http://www.rollcall.com/50richest/the...Look it up.<br /><br />http://www.rollcall.com/50richest/the-50-richest-members-of-congress-112th.htmlRoll Callnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81215197315404186472013-03-23T06:22:53.511-04:002013-03-23T06:22:53.511-04:00I doubt seriously if that is an accurate list.I doubt seriously if that is an accurate list.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-76089636317611358902013-03-22T19:59:55.646-04:002013-03-22T19:59:55.646-04:00Top 50 Congressional Millionaires, accd to Roll Ca...Top 50 Congressional Millionaires, accd to Roll Call, 22 March 2013:<br /><br />Republicans: $882.98 Million<br />Democrats: $706.46 Million<br /><br />Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) $294 million<br />Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) $220.40 <br />Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) $193.07 <br />Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) $81.63 <br />Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) $76.30<br />Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) $65.91<br />Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) $55.07<br />Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) $52.93<br />Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.) $44.21 <br />Rep. Jim Renacci (R-Ohio) $35.87<br />Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) $35.20 <br />Rep. Rick Berg (R-N.D.) $21.60<br />Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) $21.18 <br />Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.) $20.35 <br />Sen. James Risch (R-Idaho) $19.78 <br />Rep. Gary Miller (R-Calif.) $17.45 <br />Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) $17.00 <br />Rep. Kenny Marchant (R-Texas) $16.45 <br />Rep. Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) $15.46 <br />Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.) $13.73<br />Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.) $11.90 <br />Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) $11.60 <br />Rep. Scott Rigell (R-Va.) $10.69<br />Rep. Diane Black (R-Tenn.) $10.6)<br />Rep. Tom Petri (R-Wis.) $10.60 <br />Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) $10.38 <br />Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) $10.35 <br />Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) $10.28 <br />Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) $10.14 <br />Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) $10.14<br />Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) $9.88 <br />Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) $9.84 <br />Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) $9.43 <br />Rep. Nan Hayworth (R-N.Y.) $9.35<br />Rep. Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.) $9.29 <br />Sen. Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) $9.23 <br />Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) $8.53 <br />Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-Texas) $8.51<br />Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.) $8.44 <br />Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) $8.18<br />Rep. Steve Pearce (R-N.M.) $8.03<br />Sen. John Hoeven (R-N.D.) $7.94<br />Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) $7.93 <br />Rep. Bill Flores (R-Texas) $7.71 <br />Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) $7.41 <br />Sen. Kay Hagan (D-N.C.) $7.06 <br />Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) $6.56 <br />Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.) $6.47<br />Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas)<br />Roll Callnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68512906503321109742013-03-22T12:55:33.454-04:002013-03-22T12:55:33.454-04:00Anon 5, You are echoing things that I have said, a...Anon 5, You are echoing things that I have said, as well. <br />II am not sure just how degraded theology and the Church may become, but there is a cul de sac somewhere. It will be interesting to see what the turn-around will be. For now, it seems that we will become more divided for a time rather than less so. <br />Ever since the Tower of Babel, man has insisted that he can do things better than the Creator. We continue to believe that we can build a heaven on earth if we just find the right combination. Why do the heathen rage...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31874977305600540782013-03-22T10:11:45.922-04:002013-03-22T10:11:45.922-04:00To explore Gene's comment further, consider th...To explore Gene's comment further, consider that the socio-political Left a) believes in collectivist charity (i.e. forced economic redistribution) as opposed to principally private charity to deal with poverty and other social ills; b) de-emphasizes the vertical (except when using God to further the horiontal agenda, viz. Pelosi and Biden on Monday); c) tends to discount the notion of moral theology and personal sin unless it is related to the sin of the greed of the rich/privileged; d) is obsessed with materialism or "bread alone" (i.e., taking things away from the privileged and giving things to the underprivileged); e) tends to be utopian in the sense that society, acting through the state, can cure all earthly evils re-establish Eden or heaven on earth) if given the power to do so. (Part of that power includes the state co-opting, marginalizing, or suppression of opposing points of view, such as the Church). <br /><br />Thoughts? Implications?Hammer of Fascistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08647227447212096501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51822083114421689632013-03-21T20:28:09.902-04:002013-03-21T20:28:09.902-04:00Re: Left/Right, Vertical/Horizontal. I take your p...Re: Left/Right, Vertical/Horizontal. I take your point and it is a good one, however, did you ever notice that in most cases political liberals tend to be horizontal in their theology and those who are heavy into humanistic "theology" tend to be political libs? This is no coincidence.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27838324394288043432013-03-21T18:12:47.568-04:002013-03-21T18:12:47.568-04:00Gene and Bill,
And now for some facts -- There do...Gene and Bill,<br /><br />And now for some facts -- There doesn’t seem to be much in it as between Democrats and Republicans in Congress, which is hardly surprising given the corrupted nature of our (national) politics. I will let you and others who are far better at sums than I am make of the details what you will:<br /><br />http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2013/01/new-congress-new-and-more-wealth.html<br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-12410113572518377922013-03-21T18:03:17.723-04:002013-03-21T18:03:17.723-04:00I am ready to be corrected, but am still not convi...I am ready to be corrected, but am still not convinced that mere monetary wealth is the definition of poor. I think of the practical example of Matthew, who probably had some money, but also longed for something more real.<br /><br />This is from the Mass of the Faithful and always calls to mind my own poverty:<br /><br />"Quid retríbuam Dómino pro ómnibus quæ retríbuit mihi? <br /><br />-What return shall I make to the Lord for all the things that He hath given unto me?"<br /><br />It is the same as 'fearing' the Lord. It is not so much His just anger, as the pain I cause him. If this is what Pope Francis means about the pathetic children of the sex trade, or of the hopeless young men in the prison, then he can count me in.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37795391466489670152013-03-21T17:42:12.502-04:002013-03-21T17:42:12.502-04:00Since the election of Pope Francis, I get a knot i...Since the election of Pope Francis, I get a knot in my stomach when I read the comments on this blog. Apparently, there is very little trust in the Holy Spirit and His knowing the big picture. Do we only trust Him when He agrees with us and/or moves at our desired speed? There seems to be enough pride and self-righteousness here to counteract any humility the new Pope may exhibit!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27652957156826750652013-03-21T16:12:26.747-04:002013-03-21T16:12:26.747-04:00Gene, it's been done. And although the wealthi...Gene, it's been done. And although the wealthiest of the Republicans are not at all poor, they are outnumbered and out-valued by Democrat millionaires.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858195676825602917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20130956790856558552013-03-21T14:49:53.799-04:002013-03-21T14:49:53.799-04:00Reading the Papal Tea Leaves
By George Neumayr on ...Reading the Papal Tea Leaves<br />By George Neumayr on 3.20.13 @ 6:10AM<br /><br /> In what direction will the Church move under Pope Francis?<br /><br />Francis’s papacy may not so much move the Church into the future as back to the recent past, circa 1970. Quarrels over the proper interpretation of Vatican II are more likely to explode than end. Emboldened liberal bishops under him may seek a reform of the “reform of the reform,” and they may push for a revisiting of settled moral, theological, and disciplinary stances. None of this repositioning will take place at the level of official teaching but at the murkier levels of tone, emphasis, and appointment.<br /><br />That the Catholic left considers his election a shot in the arm can’t be chalked up simply to projection. There are enough nuances here to give them hope. They believe that this is their moment to try to undo the papacies of John Paul II and Benedict and return to the casual, informal, and spontaneous liturgical spirit of the 1970s while reviving a more poll-friendly situational ethics. Tweeted Mahony: “Don’t you feel the new energy, and being shared with one another?”<br /><br />read the whole article here: http://spectator.org/archives/2013/03/20/reading-the-papal-tea-leavesTemplarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18204866760862707908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74530077847130542492013-03-21T13:46:59.004-04:002013-03-21T13:46:59.004-04:00Anon 5,
I agree wholeheartedly with your assertio...Anon 5,<br /><br />I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion that the right-left dichotomy is far too politicized to be used to describe orthodoxy and orthopraxy.<br /><br />Case in point: while reading the reviews for a Catholic app, I noticed one reviewer state "disappointment" that "right-wingers" had "hijacked" the app and added a Latin Prayers section. <br /><br />Notwithstanding my views on abortion and same-sex marriage, I am largely apolitical, but as a result of this dichotomy, I have been a labeled a "right-winger" simply because I prefer using one language over the other Ironically, were my preference Spanish and not Latin, I would be called a "diversity seeker" or some other nonsensical epithet.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00554830859411216515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61243213820781106042013-03-21T13:30:35.272-04:002013-03-21T13:30:35.272-04:00I'd like to see a net worth study of Congress....I'd like to see a net worth study of Congress. I'll bet the Dems would make the Republicans look like beggars.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18541322302895837222013-03-21T13:25:43.339-04:002013-03-21T13:25:43.339-04:00I agree with those who are saying its wrong to emb...I agree with those who are saying its wrong to embellish the church as political terms liberal/progressive/left and conservative/right. The more accurtate terms would be horizontal and vertical. Thos in the horizontal camp want everything to be worldy and pertaining to mankind - - the "pelvic" issues, the poor and poverty, making Mass "simple and humble" (and by the way, at what point does constant fawning and praising over a person's humbleness and simpleness turn it into "showing off" and creating a new cult of personality?).<br /><br />The ones in the vertical camp, want thing focused on the Heavenly, on God, on the spiritual -- a reverent and traditional Mass, emphasis on prayer and devotions, saving souls.<br /><br />You need both horizontal and vertical to make the Cross... but notice the vertical beam is always larger than the horizontal. Is a larger horizontal beam with a smaller vertical beam Cross what is in our future?Anonymous in Archdiocese of Detroitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49264746357778024162013-03-21T12:11:37.145-04:002013-03-21T12:11:37.145-04:00As a simple matter of fact, statistical data show ...As a simple matter of fact, statistical data show that those who contribute most to the poor are of conservative beliefs and of relatively low income. As a counterpoint, VP Biden's few hundreds of declared charitable contributions are much less than my wife and I gave when I was out of work.<br />Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858195676825602917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31525153982271898022013-03-21T10:45:13.010-04:002013-03-21T10:45:13.010-04:00It seems that Pope Francis believes in the dichoto...It seems that Pope Francis believes in the dichotomy of the liberals that you can not love the poor and the liturgy. His looking at his watch during the inauguration mass was disturbing. I converted to the Catholic Church from the episcopal "church" 9 years ago. At that time I also investigated the Orthodox Church but eventually came to believe that the Papacy was necessary to preserve truth and unity. Perhaps I was mistaken. I'm now not so sure one man should have the power to to change the Church based on his own personal preferences.Lukenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52187948791863757902013-03-21T10:33:18.057-04:002013-03-21T10:33:18.057-04:00Re Gene's comment on the poor: while I agree w...Re Gene's comment on the poor: while I agree with him, I have a slightly different take. The modernists (both inside the Church and in the world) would much rather have the Church either go away completely or else preach and practice a non-Catholic (and probably non-Christian) theology that includes such elements as economic collectivism, radical feminism, and indifferentism). Failing that, they would like the Church to become simply a social welfare agency on a secular model, concerned with alleviating poverty, illness, and socio-political oppression (as defined by the world), since that sort of institution wouldn't critique/judge the secular agenda or individual behavior (except perhaps the behavior of rich white guys).<br /><br />This explains why the world consistently ignores/suppresses the fact that the Church is the biggest charitable institution in the history of the human race (since the world doesn't want it to be big, or to have that charity proceed from orthodoxy) but it does play up that Francis is "the pope of the poor" since that shows how the Church is finally "coming around" and focusing on what's REALLY important.<br />Hammer of Fascistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08647227447212096501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90633171254286458992013-03-21T10:21:05.065-04:002013-03-21T10:21:05.065-04:00Remember, we only have to obey in matters of Faith...Remember, we only have to obey in matters of Faith and Morals from the Chair of Peter as laity.<br /><br />The other actions of any pope are not infallible, which is why we have this great, specific teaching.Supertradmumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829935047036023159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10482737640961302572013-03-21T10:10:59.958-04:002013-03-21T10:10:59.958-04:00Wow! Great comments Marc, JBS, Soze, RCG...I am ce...Wow! Great comments Marc, JBS, Soze, RCG...I am certainly glad I am in ya'll's camp.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86809749790870453532013-03-21T10:07:27.954-04:002013-03-21T10:07:27.954-04:00I think there are a couple of problems with this a...I think there are a couple of problems with this analysis.<br /><br />1) As has been mentioned above, there are probably far, far fewer trads than there are modernists, and most of them have gone with SSPX and such. Further, there is undoubtedly _far_ more modernist influence on current liturgy and pastoral practice/theology than there is trad influence.<br /><br />2) But there's a more significant problem with the analysis, and it's with the left/right model. Such a model is too political, and it also ignores those of us who simply want orthodoxy (and who think that in order to attain it we must roll back the pervasive modernism that's unquestionably infecting the Church.) The better model is not left/right but instead as a circular bullseye target, with the center of the target being the preaching _and_ practice of doctrinal truth (orthodoxy/orthopraxis).<br /><br />In this model, missing the bullseye in any direction is bad. But since the great mass of missing has been in the direction of modernism in the past 50 years, the orthodox want to see a pope whose focus is on pre-VII teaching and practice as a corrective--not to move the Church to the right but rather to move it back onto the bullseye. The left-right model does these people a great disservice.<br /><br />The signals we've been getting in the past week (mainly from 2 sources: reports of his career up to now and a week's liturgical practice) are that the pope is hitting all over the place, some closer to the bullseye, and some farther, but on the whole, a good bit farther away than BXVI. This isn't reassuring to orthodox Catholics (a redundant phrase, BTW) any more than it is to the trads. In the current modernist environment, moreover, shots close to the center seem random, whereas modernist shoots reinforce the already strong and pervasive modernist agenda.Hammer of Fascistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08647227447212096501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27823986482456477602013-03-21T09:58:15.411-04:002013-03-21T09:58:15.411-04:00I would like to suggest that we are nearing especi...I would like to suggest that we are nearing especially dangerous territory here. The poor are to be loved, not displayed as trophies in theological and liturgical contests. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90789125311292074272013-03-21T09:58:01.024-04:002013-03-21T09:58:01.024-04:00There is no "either/or" dichotomy that d...There is no "either/or" dichotomy that dictates one is either traditional and neglects the poor or "progressive" and cares for the poor. The entire Church was what dissenters call "traditional" for 1900 years before the tampering began in the 1960's. Care to name ANY other organization that did as much for the poor as the Church did during that period?<br /><br />Comparing traditionalist Catholics to skewed perceptions of America's political parties is not the way to go in this debate.Keyser Sozehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14671388705496120385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2996127614179856452013-03-21T09:45:46.513-04:002013-03-21T09:45:46.513-04:00Father McDonald,
If by "Traditionalists"...Father McDonald,<br />If by "Traditionalists" and "Progressives" you mean those who reject the liturgical norms and doctrinal formulations of the Second Vatican Council, obviously for opposing reasons, then I suppose I can agree with your assessments. <br />But there are Latin Catholics who love the Roman liturgical tradition, and who believe that use of the EF missal can enrich the OF missal in such a way that, "the celebration of the Mass according to the Missal of Paul VI will be able to demonstrate, more powerfully than has been the case hitherto, the sacrality which attracts many people to the former usage" (see BXVI's letter accompanying "Summorum Pontificum"). The question for us is, does Pope Francis share this view or not? If not, then we have followed a particular path of Pope Benedict in vain. <br />Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50612700008714966822013-03-21T09:44:12.157-04:002013-03-21T09:44:12.157-04:00Carrying your logic to it's conclusion histori...Carrying your logic to it's conclusion historically the Catholic Church would be composed of Judaizers and Monothelites and the Papacy would be in Avignon, made up solely of European aristocracy given the title on an hereditary basis. Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36103384355204583282013-03-21T09:43:11.611-04:002013-03-21T09:43:11.611-04:00I recall a briefing on domestic terror threats whe...I recall a briefing on domestic terror threats where the highest threat was identified as religious white males. Less than a month later Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah building in Oklahoma City. The type of violence is defined in advance and either supported or opposed by the organisation that makes the definition. The Right tends toward direct action and segregates its violence into intense definable locations, while the Left has a lower order of violence on a much wider scale. The person on the right right will bomb one abortion clinic, the left will kill millions of babies and talk soothingly to the mother while they do it. A religious rightist will burn a cross in the yard of a black family, the Left has destroyed the black family with gifts and empowerment.<br /><br />Pope Francis was played for a fool when he allowed the American contingent to take communion. He made Humanae Vitae a dead letter in the minds of every American politician. They would be fools to hold a pro-Life position based on Church teachings in an election. This is not a personal attack on Pope Francis. This is something he needs to hear and figure out what to do about it. He is dealing with indirect strategies and tactics with a public relations machine that will present his actions in whatever context suits their agenda. They will continue to either push or lead him around until the faithful are totally confused about his message.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.com