tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post4101654153999263526..comments2024-03-28T16:23:19.433-04:00Comments on southern orders: ALL MASSES AT SAINT JOSPEH CHURCH, MACON, ARE AD ORIENTEM! (TOWARD THE EAST)Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53688547413155116782014-12-01T20:45:10.591-05:002014-12-01T20:45:10.591-05:00If you are facing the congregation in St. Joseph&#...If you are facing the congregation in St. Joseph's, you are facing east. If you are facing away from the congregation, you are facing west. Remember where the sun rises and sets during morning and afternoon Mass.Danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-45502141135524987972014-11-30T03:46:21.538-05:002014-11-30T03:46:21.538-05:00Ultimately, I'd love for every parish to offer...Ultimately, I'd love for every parish to offer Mass facing Liturgical East, but the Crucifix is important for us in the pews, I can't imagine how much more important for the celebrant. for All VP Masses, there should be an altar crucifix. Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56440391328743517452014-11-28T15:36:27.252-05:002014-11-28T15:36:27.252-05:00The way FCAP has been interpreted since V2 has not...The way FCAP has been interpreted since V2 has not only turned the Mass into a community celebration, it has made it overly didactic - people must hear everything and see everything. Not that it is entirely successful even at this. The OT reading on Sundays is a case in point - for it to mean anything to the average pew-sitter it needs to be explained and put in context, but it rarely is.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83453482714043146852014-11-28T14:40:09.017-05:002014-11-28T14:40:09.017-05:00John Nolan @ 10:38 am - No, I DIDN'T know that...John Nolan @ 10:38 am - No, I DIDN'T know that! I haven't seen it, and I'm in a pretty large archdiocese. But given the trend of things, I can see this being a "solution" to another non-problem. One that further detracts from the sacred time with God. Yep, nothing like "progress."<br /><br />This is a rhetorical question, but why, oh why, do our (some of the) clergy insist on getting caught up in the minutiae of things and effectively doing everything BUT worshiping God at Sunday Mass? It seems the last thing some priests are interested in at Mass is praying. Actually praying. To God. <br /><br />I don't care whether we sing every part of Mass, or the priest sings it all, or not at all, or if there is the 4 song "sandwich" or not, or singing in Latin or whatever. What I am after is a time and place to worship God. Not myself. Or the community. Or my social circle. But to pray. Actually pray in a holy way. To God. When I sense the priest is all about the accidentals and not even praying, I find I cannot engage with him in the worship of God at Sunday Mass. I keep doing my best in spite of it, but it sure is discouraging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-72270187327479389942014-11-28T11:13:42.135-05:002014-11-28T11:13:42.135-05:00I detest the invasion of technology into Churches ...I detest the invasion of technology into Churches everywhere.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83403992899342582702014-11-28T10:38:44.067-05:002014-11-28T10:38:44.067-05:00Bee, reference TV screens set up around the church...Bee, reference TV screens set up around the church for those with an impeded view of the altar, it's commonplace.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85396189307382778082014-11-28T09:48:29.018-05:002014-11-28T09:48:29.018-05:00Regarding revolving altars, look at the photo
htt...Regarding revolving altars, look at the photo<br /><br />https://www.cardcow.com/images/set128/card00563_fr.jpg<br /><br />the altar and circular altar rail at the National Shrine of the Little Flower in Michigan. If the altar rotated through a complete revolution during the Mass, then everyone there would have the sacred privilege of worshiping ad orientem (liturgically) at some point in the Mass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39263216350725228232014-11-28T00:10:46.594-05:002014-11-28T00:10:46.594-05:00JBS said, "I still like the idea of a large, ...JBS said, "I still like the idea of a large, tilted mirror above the altar,..."<br />Oooo. Oooo. THERE'S an idea! Or better yet, given these modern times, big screens set up around the church to give everybody a great view, and cameras pointing at the altar and priest to give close up views of various "moments" in the liturgy! Rich parishes could have a control room, just like T.V. stations, that could do like they do at sporting events, going to different shots and zooming in and out and so on. <br />LET'S DO IT! (I hope people know I'm being sarcastic here, just as I expect JBS was being. :-) Happy Thanksgiving.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73710927579796439592014-11-27T19:17:47.087-05:002014-11-27T19:17:47.087-05:00Google "revolving altars".Google "revolving altars".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-66529343991768244592014-11-27T11:53:10.885-05:002014-11-27T11:53:10.885-05:00Despite knowing the constant teaching of the Churc...Despite knowing the constant teaching of the Church from earliest times, I’ve never been able to fully internalize the argument that the celebrant should face the East whence Our Lord will indeed come in power and glory to judge the living and the dead.<br /><br />What the last forty years of liturgical experimentation have shown is that belief in the Real Presence in the Eucharistic Sacrifice is invariably diminished when priest and people do not face in the same direction. No matter whether that common direction is east or west, north or south. In parishes that in recent decades have preserved a common direction of worship and celebration, whether OF or EF, the faith of the people has remained solid, confessions have been frequent, devotions have flourished, and vocations have been abundant.<br /><br />How many parishes with versus populum celebration share these characteristics? If forty years of decline is not enough to make the point, what would be? Perhaps those who cannot learn in forty years, can never learn.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-35954526386404161532014-11-27T10:46:09.708-05:002014-11-27T10:46:09.708-05:00JBS, Wouldn't help Ignotus. He doesn't ref...JBS, Wouldn't help Ignotus. He doesn't reflect in a mirror…LOL!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-77208559455489065912014-11-27T10:32:21.678-05:002014-11-27T10:32:21.678-05:00The celebrant in the early basilicas (as in the Ro...The celebrant in the early basilicas (as in the Roman basilicas today) stood at the apse end of the altar, but did not face 'the people' who would have been in the side aisles rather than in the nave. At the command 'Conversi ad Dominum' (after the homily) they turned to face in the same direction as the celebrant.<br /><br />With the reintroduction of the ambo after Vatican II it makes sense (and is implicit in the the Novus Ordo) for the priest or deacon to face the congregation for the Liturgy of the Word, but for the common orientation to be resumed for the Liturgy of the Eucharist. This is so blindingly obvious it is difficult to see why it is not practised universally. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1552931479715475492014-11-27T09:30:43.448-05:002014-11-27T09:30:43.448-05:00I still like the idea of a large, tilted mirror ab...I still like the idea of a large, tilted mirror above the altar, allowing the celebrant to face the same direction as the congregation, but also allowing the congregation to see whatever it is that they so need to see. It's a win-win arrangement. I just hope this catches on everywhere as quickly as the present arrangement did back in the day. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.com