tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post4070982407508710534..comments2024-03-28T05:17:04.006-04:00Comments on southern orders: THE EF COMMUNITIES, THE ORDINARIATE COMMUNITIES AND HIGH ANGLICAN COMMUNITIES WILL HAVE IT STARTING THIS SUNDAY, JANUARY 24TH! GUESS WHO WON'T HAVE IT? THE RED HEADED STEP CHILD OF THE CHURCH, THE ORDINARY FORM COMMUNITY, THE MAJORITY OF CATHOLICS! HOW UNFAIR IS THAT? WHAT AM I SPEAKING OF? SEPTUAGESIMA!!!!!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7799689549891875502016-01-25T19:06:06.893-05:002016-01-25T19:06:06.893-05:00I think the 1928 Book of Common Prayer---still use...I think the 1928 Book of Common Prayer---still used by some conservative Episcopal parishes and other Anglican ones---was derived from the old Latin Mass. A lot of Episcopalians were disenchanted when the 1928 Prayer Book was dropped in favor of the 1979 modern version, much as many Catholics did not like the dropping of Latin Mass in favor of the modern version. I wish we would use the old caldendar of such and such Sunday after Pentecost and Epiphany---"ordinary time" sounds very secular (at least that is the perception).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57295486219884821332016-01-25T09:27:42.800-05:002016-01-25T09:27:42.800-05:00Interestingly, the people who attend churches wher...Interestingly, the people who attend churches where Septuagesima remains a season are not perplexed by deciding what to "give up." The Church's tradition provides the answer of what is given up: food. That is why it is a fasting season -- one meal is permitted (with meat, except on Fridays and Saturdays). <br /><br />The three week period of Septuagesima is not there so that you can figure out what to give up, as if we were pietistic Protestants. It is there to prepare to give up food, as the Church prescribes. Preparation is necessary to prepare for such a fast since going from eating to not eating is not easy, Septuagesima is a time to scale back to prepare for the not eating during Lent.<br /><br />Since the Novus Ordo are pietists, choosing minor things to "give up" according to their individual preferences, there is no need for them to have Septuagesima. For Catholics, though, Septuagesima is necessary to prepare for the fasting season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75190035394716345742016-01-24T17:25:51.106-05:002016-01-24T17:25:51.106-05:00The thing that bugs me about the Novus Ordo calend...The thing that bugs me about the Novus Ordo calendar is that Ash Wednesday sneaks up on you with no warning. Before you know it, it's Lent, and I haven't begun to prepare. It takes me 3 week just to decide what to 'give up', and by then Lent's half over.<br />The other thing that bugs me--the pope had no authority to make sweeping changes to the calendar. It's simply not in his job description. Why did so few bishops stand up against it?Tony Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10862727279147129707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15989942970364395752016-01-23T06:30:07.893-05:002016-01-23T06:30:07.893-05:00The red headed stepchild misses out on a lot and i...The red headed stepchild misses out on a lot and is not being fed at the Ordinary Form of the Mass as has often been pointed out.<br /><br />A prime example of this can be found in the differences between the readings for the Feast of the Body and Blood of Christ which is Corpus Christi under the 1962 Missal. <br /><br />As one Cardinal pointed out, the Feast of The Body and Blood of Christ has had stripped from it the very passage about eating and drinking our Lord's body and blood unworthily which might cause people to stop and think before they all troop up to Communion as to whether they need to to confession beforehand:<br /><br />Solemnity of the Most Holy Body and Blood of Christ (Corpus Christi)<br />Lectionary: 167<br />Reading 1 dt 8:2-3, 14b-16a <br />Moses said to the people:<br />"Remember how for forty years now the LORD, your God,<br />has directed all your journeying in the desert,<br />so as to test you by affliction<br />and find out whether or not it was your intention<br />to keep his commandments. <br />He therefore let you be afflicted with hunger,<br />and then fed you with manna,<br />a food unknown to you and your fathers,<br />in order to show you that not by bread alone does one live,<br />but by every word that comes forth from the mouth of the LORD.<br /><br />"Do not forget the LORD, your God,<br />who brought you out of the land of Egypt,<br />that place of slavery;<br />who guided you through the vast and terrible desert<br />with its saraph serpents and scorpions,<br />its parched and waterless ground;<br />who brought forth water for you from the flinty rock<br />and fed you in the desert with manna,<br />a food unknown to your fathers."<br />Responsorial Psalm ps 147:12-13, 14-15, 19-20<br />R/ (12) Praise the Lord, Jerusalem.<br /><br /><br /><br />FEAST OF CORPUS CHRISTI - 1962 missal<br /><br />INTROIT<br />Psalm 80: 17, 2 <br />He fed them with the fat of corn, alleluia; and filled them with honey out of the rock, alleluia, alleluia, alleluia. Rejoice to God our helper; sing aloud to the God of Jacob. Glory be to the Father... - He fed them...<br /> <br />COLLECT - O God, who under a wonderful Sacrament hast left us a memorial of Thy Passion: grant us, we beseech Thee, so to venerate the sacred mysteries of Thy Body and Blood that we may ever feel within us the fruit of Thy Redemption. Who livest and reignest...<br /> <br />EPISTLE <br />1 Corinthians 11: 23-29<br />Brethren, I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me. For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall show the death of the Lord, until he come. Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. <br /><br />GRADUAL <br />Psalm 144: 15-16<br />The eyes of all hope in Thee, O Lord, and Thou givest them meat in due season. Thou openest Thy hand, and fillest every living creature with blessing. <br />Alleluia, alleluia. (John 6: 56-57) My flesh is meat indeed and My Blood is drink indeed: he that eateth My Flesh and drinketh My Blood, abidethAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8514215728774891882016-01-22T17:40:39.125-05:002016-01-22T17:40:39.125-05:00'Cumbersome, really?' Yes, and unnecessari...'Cumbersome, really?' Yes, and unnecessarily complicated, as well as being unprecedented in the Roman or any other Rite. Now that I attend the EF most Sundays it is a great joy to be reconnected to the readings familiar from childhood. Mass is not a bible study class and not many people have a three-year attention span. Like most of the post-V2 reforms it was strong on theory and weak on pastoral practice.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31891618801271090032016-01-22T16:40:40.104-05:002016-01-22T16:40:40.104-05:00"Cumbersome"? The Sunday cycle is A, B,..."Cumbersome"? The Sunday cycle is A, B, C, and the weekday cycle is I, II. <br /><br />Cumbersome, really?Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68816976449584127492016-01-22T14:48:51.853-05:002016-01-22T14:48:51.853-05:00Doodler thanks for that link! Wow!Doodler thanks for that link! Wow!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6550521548777759702016-01-22T13:43:46.740-05:002016-01-22T13:43:46.740-05:00Unfortunately the Ordinariate signed up for the la...Unfortunately the Ordinariate signed up for the lame-duck 1970 Lectionary with its cumbersome 'cycles'. However, they have restored the Septuagesima Propers.<br /><br />The EF is still the best bet since it retains the Roman Lectionary. My advice to priests would be to put as much of the EF into the OF as they can get away with. Which would be quite a lot - OF habitués wouldn't notice since they are in the main liturgically illiterate, and the minority which represents the liturgically aware would applaud it. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18134541516735845782016-01-22T13:38:05.729-05:002016-01-22T13:38:05.729-05:00For the Lections for Septuagesima:
The ORDO of t...For the Lections for Septuagesima:<br /><br /><br />The ORDO of the Ordinariate of OLW is on line:<br /><br />http://www.ordinariate.org.uk/cmsAdmin/uploads/ordo_2016.pdf<br /><br />Readings must be from RSV Second Catholic EditionDoodlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10476313122409864359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11710176659736579872016-01-22T09:41:41.212-05:002016-01-22T09:41:41.212-05:00Anglican services using "Rite I" of the ...Anglican services using "Rite I" of the 1979 Book of Common Prayer, or traditional "King James" English are very beautiful. This is one of the reasons I remained an Episcopalian long after I knew that I should convert to Catholicism. That's one of the things I miss about the Episcopal Church: The liturgy in English. LOLBad Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11987121652866343848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75953959336806290332016-01-22T09:19:52.341-05:002016-01-22T09:19:52.341-05:00Simply Glorious...?
"O let thine ears consid...Simply Glorious...?<br /><br />"O let thine ears consider well..."<br /><br />"...that we being cleansed by these heavenly mysteries..."<br /><br />"It is very meet, right, and our bounden duty, ..."<br /><br />"... who was in every way tempted like as we are..."<br /><br />No.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com