tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3983812416825986716..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: IS POPE FRANCIS LEADING US TO A RESTORATION OF THE CHURCH AS IT WAS PRIOR TO VATICAN II, LESS ABSORBED WITH THE LITURGY AND LITURGY WARS AND MORE ABSORBED WITH SIMPLY BEING GOOD CATHOLICS?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25572826928089609532014-06-29T11:05:37.984-04:002014-06-29T11:05:37.984-04:00Anon @ 9:13pm...
No, John NOlan does not sound lik...Anon @ 9:13pm...<br />No, John NOlan does not sound like a kid. He sounds like an educated, faithful Catholic. A "kid" would sound like "give us folk music in the mass!... give us women priests!... give us gay marriage!... be liberal and progressive!" That is the sound of immaturity and rebellion.William Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82246608920337263882014-06-29T00:34:46.414-04:002014-06-29T00:34:46.414-04:00Those headlines, Father…are you just TRYIN' to...Those headlines, Father…are you just TRYIN' to push our buttons?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78190280886812751492014-06-28T21:13:39.455-04:002014-06-28T21:13:39.455-04:00John Nolan, you sound like a kid. How old are you...John Nolan, you sound like a kid. How old are you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46138742983073856232014-06-28T19:20:54.462-04:002014-06-28T19:20:54.462-04:00Catholics were different than other Christians and...<i>Catholics were different than other Christians and proud of the difference.</i><br /><br />It's odd that a great many Catholics seem unaware that it isn't necessarily a lack of charity to ask why one is Catholic and not something else. Ecumenism and guarding against triumphalism does not mean that we're "not allowed" to be ourselves.WSquarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-45065676055104168942014-06-28T09:56:15.180-04:002014-06-28T09:56:15.180-04:00I was brought up in the 1950s and the Mass was a g...I was brought up in the 1950s and the Mass was a given. No-one had a problem with Latin since no-one envisaged it in any other language. Catholics did not hanker after a vernacular Communion service like the Anglicans had down the road - they knew it was not the Mass, which the Protestant reformers had explicitly abolished in the 16th century. Where the vernacular was used, in extra-liturgical devotions like the stations of the cross, or the Rosary, or in most of the Benediction service, it was used unselfconsciously. No-one thought that the Leonine Prayers after Low Mass should be in Latin, any more than they thought that the Mass which preceded them should be in English.<br /><br />Parts of the Roman Ritual (including parts of the Baptismal rite) were allowed to be said in the vernacular, but no-one muttered about this being the thin end of a wedge which would lead to the virtual abandonment of Latin by 1967. They assumed that the Mass would not be significantly changed, and if the variable parts were to be allowed in the vernacular, few would have objected.<br /><br />Instead, they got a liturgical revolution in which virtually nothing was left untouched. This was unprecedented in the history of the Western Church and as far as the Mass was concerned was accomplished in little over three years. The revolutionaries themselves could hardly believe it. The 'liturgy wars' began in earnest in 1965. Before that it was a largely academic debate among liturgists. Now it hit everyone with violent force and people not unnaturally picked sides. Some were enthusiastic, some were appalled, most were simply bemused. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43650750211480142832014-06-28T09:37:35.993-04:002014-06-28T09:37:35.993-04:00"No one complained about the Mass, until abou..."No one complained about the Mass, until about 1965. The complaints haven't stopped . . ."<br /><br />They have not stopped, and should not stop, until the degradation of the Mass--referring not to the Missal of Paul VI, but to the liturgy in ordinary parish practice--is reversed and proper liturgy restored.<br /><br />This will not occur until the problem is faced forthrightly and publicly at the highest levels in the Church, not merely with the good example and words that Pope Benedict unsuccessfully tried to rely upon exclusively, but by effective and decisive action.<br /><br />Until this happens, whatever the good intentions at whatever level in the meantime, we will continue to see that talk of being "less absorbed with liturgy and more absorbed with being good Catholics"--when the liturgy is the source and summit of Catholic life in and out of Church, is prattle that is not merely empty and misguided, but which continues the destruction of faith and practice.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22119843055199742322014-06-28T09:25:15.469-04:002014-06-28T09:25:15.469-04:00Nicely said, Fr. McDonald, and insightful.Nicely said, Fr. McDonald, and insightful.Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73724114107127388242014-06-28T07:01:39.146-04:002014-06-28T07:01:39.146-04:00"…less absorbed with liturgy and more absorbe..."…less absorbed with liturgy and more absorbed with being good Catholics."<br /><br />But, this is still a bottom up approach, which leads to dumbed down liturgy and indifferentism. Good Catholics value the Mass and the Eucharist above all else, particularly above social action and being "good" anything. The Liturgy is founded upon right BELIEF, not right action. Right belief leads to and teaches right action, but right behavior (i.e. being a "good Catholic") does not lead to right belief or right worship. There is solace and forgiveness for bad behavior and failures in Christian charity through Confession and Penance. This is all based upon our beliefs as reflected in the Liturgy and Real Presence. But heresy or apostasy…wrong belief…threaten the very foundations of all the rest. Being a "good Catholic" means treasuring and protecting the heritage of Liturgy and doctrine we have been given…not just going around being nice, helping the "mythic poor," or obligatory attendance at any Mass no matter how corrupt or banal. Fix the Liturgy, fix the Church.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.com