tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3908429120107835786..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: THREE FORMS OF THE FAILURE OF CATHOLICISM BUT ONLY ONE IS GOODFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39653983948361781042013-03-12T12:30:56.242-04:002013-03-12T12:30:56.242-04:00Anonymous @ 9:48, your comments are surprisingly s...Anonymous @ 9:48, your comments are surprisingly sexist and elitist. People should seek and be assigned work that is actually helpful and empowering. Removing a useless job is not a reflection on the individual affected unless the person has no other worth than as a placeholder.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89535241723261976102013-03-12T12:12:46.497-04:002013-03-12T12:12:46.497-04:00@ Anonymous 9:48
Good, I'm glad you see where...@ Anonymous 9:48<br /><br />Good, I'm glad you see where I'm coming from. If you get rid of posts which should not have been created in the first place, it is inevitable that people will lose their jobs. What's the alternative? Carry on as before? One of the posts to go is that of Paul Inwood, the long-time diocesan 'director of music and liturgy' who ran his own music publishing business from the diocesan offices and imposed his 1970s musical and liturgical tastes on a captive audience. I understand his wife also has a diocesan sinecure.<br /><br />The problem with the management system is that we still have too many bishops who think, like too many of their priests, that 'pastoral' means being nice to everyone. It does not. A priest's primary responsibility is 'cure of souls', not making people feel good about themselves. St John Vianney nowadays would have been removed smartish for being 'confrontational'. A bishop's pastoral responsibility as successor of the apostles is to promote orthodoxy in his diocese, to ensure the liturgy is properly celebrated and that the faithful have access to the sacraments. It is not about being 'all things to all men'. <br /><br />Bishop Egan said a bishop had to be "priest, prophet and king". It is no coincidence that the sexual abuse scandals peaked in the 1970s. Rembert Weakland was the very model of the 'spirit of Vatican II' prelate. When he turned out to be not only a sodomite but a crook, did the liberals disown him? Not a bit.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25828274545790545212013-03-12T10:48:12.310-04:002013-03-12T10:48:12.310-04:00People losing their jobs is always unfortunate. Ho...People losing their jobs is always unfortunate. However, there are too many "jobs" that are political fluff, bureaucratic do-nothing positions, and positions by fiat created by those seeking sycophantic dependents. These "jobs" need to go, whether occupied by men or women. Perhaps they should not have cast their lots with political ephemera...and, no one is picking on women. Are you wearing your "VICTIM" t-shirt today?Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-841937417348677542013-03-12T09:48:52.897-04:002013-03-12T09:48:52.897-04:00@John Nolan, being a member of the laity and a wom...@John Nolan, being a member of the laity and a woman, I would find sympathy with people losing their jobs. The management system in our church is broken. Going backwards will send more people packing. We don't have the Legionairies of Christ scandal, first reported to Rome in 1976, finally tended to (in a manner unacceptable to most Catholics) in 2005, in an efficient system based on the welfare of the flock rather than the esteem and reputation of the Church. Jesus continues to weep. Your blah, blah, blah comment shows where you're coming from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61878333898737630482013-03-12T09:38:03.971-04:002013-03-12T09:38:03.971-04:00I would agree with you John especially that reform...I would agree with you John especially that reform would make the curia more responsive and perhaps progressives fear that. I also agree that local dioceses have become bloated with useless personnel so that on paper there looks like a lot is going on, but in reality, less is happening and what should be done is hampered. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54987819404273202732013-03-12T09:19:44.155-04:002013-03-12T09:19:44.155-04:00Quinn makes some valid points. The problem is, tha...Quinn makes some valid points. The problem is, that like many revolutionaries of his generation, he sees, albeit 'per speculum in aenigmate' the vision of a future Church which would be nominally under Rome but locally autonomous. Such structural changes as he advocates are means to this end. However, the revolution was halted in the mid-1970s. Rome balked at the idea of regional liturgies being composed more-or-less from scratch, and the Milingo affair showed what happens when 'inculturation' is taken too far. The power and prestige of the papacy actually increased during the reign of JP II, and there was much muttering on the sidelines.<br /><br />There is a good deal of talk about 'reform of the Curia' in liberal circles, but when you reform something you make it more effective, and do they really want a more effective central body? The key curial departments (CDF, CDWDS, Apostolic Signatura to name but three) actually function quite well. The Secretariat of State and the papal household need looking at.<br /><br />Reform is only supported by liberals if it helps them achieve their ends. In Portsmouth (England)the new orthodox bishop, Philip Egan, has decided to put the principle of subsidiarity into action and actually rule his diocese. Last month he announced a complete overhaul of his own curia, sweeping away the worst of the expensive and largely useless lay-run departments. Howls of protest from the liberals - "throwing people out of their jobs", "disempowering the laity, especially women", blah, blah, blah ... John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61499869681137802432013-03-11T14:40:01.708-04:002013-03-11T14:40:01.708-04:00Good Father - What, specifically, in Archbishop Qu...Good Father - What, specifically, in Archbishop Quinn's suggestions do you find potentially "disastrous"?Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90070235182674209682013-03-11T14:30:33.334-04:002013-03-11T14:30:33.334-04:00One of my favourite quotes in all of literature is...One of my favourite quotes in all of literature is this, "Our cause is never more in danger than when a human, no longer desiring, but still intending, to do our Enemy's will, looks round upon a universe from which every trace of Him seems to have vanished, and asks why he has been forsaken, and still obeys." <br /><br />There are those on the Left and Right who threaten to leave based on the Pope might be, or what he does, or the translation, or whatever. I am completely convinced that there are big mistakes that attend Vatican II, but I know that the Pope and the clergy are selected by God to tend me. My father was in the Navy and told me, when I enlisted that the Captain was probably an idiot, but that he was my idiot and we failed or succeeded together. I would be almost as surprised that the next Pope, or the revived B-XVI would be willing to reverse course on Summorum Potificum. I also do not expect he will lurch to the Right very far.<br /><br />The idea of a vote of confidence is appealing because it would mean the Cardinals were publicly saying they would get with the program and earn the red in those caps.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21508518632042130322013-03-11T14:10:40.461-04:002013-03-11T14:10:40.461-04:00Your first failure describes my parish to a tee. ...Your first failure describes my parish to a tee. Every week we celebrate the triumph of ignorance and dissent.<br /><br />It's within driving distance of your parish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71585154818518718942013-03-11T13:56:32.003-04:002013-03-11T13:56:32.003-04:00Father,
Were there as many wolves at the door of ...Father, <br />Were there as many wolves at the door of the Catholic Church Pre-Vatican Council? Or is this how it always has been and always will be? Does the "world" ever get tired of trying to tear down the Church? qwiknesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439450727837308035noreply@blogger.com