tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3727634487752255710..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: PRAYTELL'S POST ON THE PAINFUL LITURGIES OF POPE FRANCIS! AND KUDOS TO CHARLES CULBRETH'S STROKE OF GENIUS IN POSTING SOMETHING ON PRAYTELL THAT THEY HAVE NOT COMMUNICATED IN THEIR BLOG!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8983342195269731402015-09-04T16:23:51.337-04:002015-09-04T16:23:51.337-04:00In the Holy Mass, Christ offers us to the Father. ...In the Holy Mass, Christ offers us to the Father. Therefore, liturgical reform should be aimed at helping us better appreciate this, rather than trying to make us more progressive or more traditional or more comfortable or more excited or more intellectual. <br /><br />What, then, is the value of evaluating the liturgical preferences of various popes? Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26150886416241228882015-09-03T22:20:30.994-04:002015-09-03T22:20:30.994-04:00I noted the condescension in one comment -- so com...I noted the condescension in one comment -- so common among ivory tower progressives: the pope, while a bishop in Buenos Aries, celebrated Mass in the slums, so there was no opportunity for "finer trappings" of liturgy amidst "chaos." What tripe!<br /><br />I've visited parishes in slums in Mexico. They aren't fancy, but they aren't "chaos." And in several cases, these poor churches showed more "extravagant" care for their churches, and liturgies, than in many, many more affluent, suburban U.S. parishes I've visited. When the bishop visits, his MC takes time to guide the altar servers. Does this PrayTell snob think poor kids can't be diligent altar servers? Their parishioners can't be good lectors? The bishop usually brings his own vestments; and in my diocese, parishes frequently borrow vestments from the cathedral, precisely in situations like a visit from the bishop. But in Buenos Aries, those poor slobs can't even do that, according to this prig. You have to be comfortable, middle class to appreciate the "finer trappings." How arrogant!Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63769193524612400242015-09-03T13:25:31.549-04:002015-09-03T13:25:31.549-04:00When Pope Francis was elected the usual suspects a...When Pope Francis was elected the usual suspects at PTB could hardly contain their glee. One opined that Summorum Pontificum would rapidly become a 'dead letter' (precisely how this would come about was not specified). There were speculations about women deacons, even women cardinals. What they referred to as Reform2 would be buried along with the revised translation (which they confusingly refer to as MR3, although the Missale Romanum, Editio Typica Tertia dates from 2002 and is in Latin).<br /><br />Three-and-a-half years later the EF, far from being impeded by the bishops, is actually encouraged; three historic churches in England have been given to societies which celebrate exclusively the older form (two ICKSP, one FSSP); the new bishop of Portsmouth, formerly a hotbed of liberalism, has ordered that the EF be celebrated every Sunday in his cathedral; the new bishop of East Anglia has celebrated a Pontifical Solemn Mass in his. The Oratorians, Dominicans and Norbertines are recruiting young men of impeccable orthodoxy.<br /><br />Green shoots perhaps, but encouraging. G. Marini remains as papal MC; Müller as CDF Prefect, and the CDW goes to Sarah with a mandate to continue the Benedict reform. The shrinking of the PTB combox is probably due to the fact that many of the usual suspects have taken refuge in their own cave of Adullam.<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.com