tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3640682090049476163..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: IT'S RUFF TAKING THE BITTER PILL, I AM THE ONE GAGGING THOUGH!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39046628399541181292017-04-10T05:10:03.460-04:002017-04-10T05:10:03.460-04:00Ruff subscribes to what Benedict XVI called 't...Ruff subscribes to what Benedict XVI called 'the hermeneutic of rupture'. He even uses the word, along with 'paradigm shift'. He and his ilk (who may well include Pope Francis) see SP as a concession to a small but vociferous group of diehards; a concession which was mistaken and could be withdrawn.<br /><br />What they choose to overlook is that Benedict not only made it clear that the older forms were never abrogated (to attempt to do so would be abhorrent to liturgical tradition, as Bugnini was curtly informed). He also made the point that the attempt to suppress them juridically was wrong, in that what was sacred for previous generations remains sacred for us too.<br /><br />If, then, Paul VI intended to make use of the older Rite illicit he was not only acting imprudently, he was probably acting ultra vires.<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4444144293307385792017-04-07T21:06:24.929-04:002017-04-07T21:06:24.929-04:00Hey, anonymous 1, don't you like the fact that...Hey, anonymous 1, don't you like the fact that you can toss out insults on this website and hide? Just pointing out what is obvious to everyone. Your doppelganger in anonymity, anonymous 2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73722672960218947432017-04-07T06:49:53.084-04:002017-04-07T06:49:53.084-04:00McAuley says: "Silly Ruff Ruff, so pompous an...McAuley says: "Silly Ruff Ruff, so pompous and sanctimonious."<br /><br />Pot, you're calling the kettle black.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24698161290754314532017-04-06T16:55:02.481-04:002017-04-06T16:55:02.481-04:00Father Allan,
Old Ruff is all ruffled, and just l...Father Allan,<br /><br />Old Ruff is all ruffled, and just like the potato chip, we see he has ridges to his rigidity. Silly Ruff Ruff, so pompous and sanctimonious. He is such a bore, always talking about the same thing. But, it is remarkable how he wrote about Cardinal Sarah. Ruff states, "It would be good if he could study the reforms more deeply and understand . . ." In other words he is saying, "Cardinal Sarah is an idiot." If you or I wrote in a similar vein about a respected black Catholic leader, like, for example, Gregory Wilton, we would be justifiably castigated. But, Ruff, safe behind the pine curtain can snipe away. Sure, he can say I have taken him out of context, so read what he wrote at the Tablet. It is what it is, and he cannot change what he wrote. I will offer up my prayers at the next Divine Liturgy I serve for him. James Ignatius McAuleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16170178446627560622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11119883844805331862017-04-06T13:39:59.414-04:002017-04-06T13:39:59.414-04:00But of course even Pope Paul allowed for the "...But of course even Pope Paul allowed for the "legality" of the older missal for some priests and communities and then later for England, but I suspect what is implied in these exceptions is the extraordinary vs. the ordinary, a similar distinction that Pope Benedict made explicit. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-47366926960009760432017-04-06T13:31:06.582-04:002017-04-06T13:31:06.582-04:00"Some might say that in 1970 Pope Paul abando..."Some might say that in 1970 Pope Paul abandoned it, but not entirely as anyone with an ounce of knowledge knows that he allowed it for older priests and then for England later!!!!!!" <br /><br />Here is more that the required ounce of knowledge: "“We order that the prescriptions of this Constitution go into effect November 30th of this year, the first Sunday of Advent. e wish that these Our decrees and prescriptions [regarding the form of the mass] may be firm and effective now and in the future, notwithstanding, to the extent necessary, the apostolic constitutions and ordinances issued by Our predecessors, and other prescriptions, even those deserving particular mention and derogation. Given at Rome, at Saint Peter’s, Holy Thursday, April 3 1969, the sixth year of Our pontificate."<br /><br />"The missal is not abrogated; the legality of the missal is abrogated. What is abrogated is the juridic norm that imposes a missal as being now in force, that is obligatory and to be used in the entire Church. What is abrogated is the Bull Quo Primum, which ratifies the obligatory nature of the Tridentine rite, making it, with “motu proprial” language, the “ordinary rite,” although it would be more correct to call it “the rite currently in force.” <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com