tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3599897430011850409..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: BEING PROUD ABOUT BOTH THE PRE-VATICAN II & POST VATICAN II CATHOLICISMFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53347465737329108162014-07-15T18:19:54.394-04:002014-07-15T18:19:54.394-04:00The number fluctuates from about 60 to 30. I asked...The number fluctuates from about 60 to 30. I asked my mom earlier. It's at 2 pm as well, but every Sunday. Just the fact that one family could get TLM daily makes my jaw drop! <br /><br />Our 12:10 Mass is already the most Traditional, so why not just change it to Latin? I go now for the Traditionalism. If people go because the time allows them to be bums and they get upset with the change, then that's their problem. Enough of us would have Father's back if he did change 12:10 to TLM. It excites me to imagine the 12:10 Mass full for Latin, and the altar rail in! I'm imagining modestly dressed women in veils too. So Catholic! <br /><br />I was born in the wrong era. Desireenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85469928441245674932014-07-14T19:41:42.498-04:002014-07-14T19:41:42.498-04:00This blog has certainly taken a sad turn.This blog has certainly taken a sad turn.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89394512850448864462014-07-14T18:26:20.639-04:002014-07-14T18:26:20.639-04:00"I used to care, but things have changed..&qu..."I used to care, but things have changed.." <br />Look it up.<br />I'm done. John Nolan got it right.<br /> May God have mercy on us all..Anon friendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78497520817426878272014-07-14T17:47:41.793-04:002014-07-14T17:47:41.793-04:00Fr, like many Priests, was afraid to offer the TLM...Fr, like many Priests, was afraid to offer the TLM as a regular Sunday morning Mass. I am not sure why…perhaps he did not want to deal with the whining and complaining from his flock or perhaps he was afraid of displeasing there Bishop. I would like to remind him that the sheep are being led, not consulted. It probably would have been better if he had not offered it at all, given the poor time slot. Now, it just provides<br />ammo to those who want to say, "see, nobody wants that dumb old Latin Mass." Dammit, you schedule it at 9:30 or 12:10 and say, "this is the Mass. Learn it and benefit from its graces." If they leave, they can go to Ignotus' Church and pretend they are Methodists. He would be thrilled to get more members and we would be rid of some dead weight. Heck, Fr, if the Bishop gets mad at you, you might enjoy pastoring the Terrors of St. Anthony Catholic Church in Possum Lick, Georgia. LOL!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10282077655534206032014-07-14T10:11:35.929-04:002014-07-14T10:11:35.929-04:00
Keep speaking truth Desiree<br /><br />Keep speaking truth DesireeTemplarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18204866760862707908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69127370663799103962014-07-14T05:46:25.448-04:002014-07-14T05:46:25.448-04:00The reason only 30 people show up for the TLM is b...The reason only 30 people show up for the TLM is because that is how many Catholics live in the area?<br /><br />The Church is changing because the culture is changing. This is not surprising or unexpected. Remember, V2 opened the windows to let in some fresh air? Well, the air was polluted. The rest is history. <br /><br />B 16 speaks about a smaller Church, poor and even persecuted. We are there.<br /><br />Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48378201627006882032014-07-14T05:16:59.385-04:002014-07-14T05:16:59.385-04:00Regarding 'Here I am, Lord', it was writte...Regarding 'Here I am, Lord', it was written by a certain Dan Schutte, who despite his surname is NOT German (Gott sei Dank) and is a high priest (or in his case ex-priest) of what one of your commentators called 'the Haagen-Dazs school of liturgical muzak'.<br /><br />For those who want genuine Catholic hymns, there is a splendid brand-new website gregorian-chant-hymns.com which I heartily recommend.<br /><br />In festo Doctoris Seraphici, Sancti Bonaventurae.Wipo of Mainznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73208992308458431152014-07-13T21:24:36.271-04:002014-07-13T21:24:36.271-04:00Our 2 pm Latin Mass has been cancelled for the pas...Our 2 pm Latin Mass has been cancelled for the past two months. It's been disappointing. Tuesday at 5 pm is difficult to attend most weeks from Robins. <br /><br />I was visiting my mother in TN a couple weeks ago. I went to Mass with her. Her priest taught himself the TLM and celebrates it every Sunday in a small church, leading about 30 people. The priest has told one family that of they where able to attend Mass daily that he would celebrate it daily...even just for one family! <br /><br />That floored me. Why can't St. Joseph's offer the same??? I'd give up the beautiful, historical church for what my mother has offered to her. That's pastoral! I try very hard to sit happily through the OF, but I'm not happy. My soul sings at the TLM. I can't help it.Desireenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73923663088162348542014-07-13T18:23:36.283-04:002014-07-13T18:23:36.283-04:00Henry,
I think the dilemma for such priests runs ...Henry,<br /><br />I think the dilemma for such priests runs even deeper than fear of worldly demotion. The bishop is the spiritual father to a priest, so that a priest who wants to be holy will desire to please his bishop. When the rules of the bishop clash with the rules of the Church, this creates an inner dilemma for loyal priests.<br /><br />Templar,<br /><br />Write the letter. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61798450412582797922014-07-13T13:37:55.654-04:002014-07-13T13:37:55.654-04:00Henry:
Another issue (which some on the blog have...Henry: <br />Another issue (which some on the blog have alluded to) are those priests which are less than what God would desire them to be. Although in some cases this assessment and judgement in in the eye of the beholder. Are there some priests around the country that need to be disciplined or reprimanded by a bishop? Sure. Are there some who, as you say, "forthrightly tells it like it is from the pulpit" and canonically are really not in need of any corrective measure, that this is more likely to happen to? Yes. While there are cases of a bishop assigning a pastor to some "isolated backwater" I think it is less now than at one time. I do think it is in part because of the shortage of priests that some bishops are giving more latitude to how one celebrates Mass or administers his parish (some bishops more so than others, I'll agree). Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30529451016793026742014-07-13T10:51:12.851-04:002014-07-13T10:51:12.851-04:00Templar, I wonder whether any force plays a more p...Templar, I wonder whether any force plays a more pernicious role than careerism in shaping the Church for the worse in our time. In this, the Church reflects a pervasive dilemma in all modern organizations—whether business, government, academic, or religious—in which self-interest powerfully motivates almost everyone to put career advancement ahead of integrity of performance.<br /><br />This must be especially compelling for a priest under the constant threat of banishment to an isolated backwater if he too forthrightly tells it like it is from the pulpit or too conspicuously does it right at the altar. Especially compelling for a priest, because of the enticing rationalization that in the threatened backwater he will forfeit the opportunity to influence enough people to accomplish the objectives of his vocation. Perhaps most of us in government, business, or academic organizations rarely if ever face so stark a choice between strength and weakness as appears (from outside the clergy looking in) to be a ubiquitous factor in the life of priests.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20622415807560324012014-07-13T09:12:46.066-04:002014-07-13T09:12:46.066-04:00Anon 2 is a hopeless appeaser. He could be an apol...Anon 2 is a hopeless appeaser. He could be an apologist for the Devil himself.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18738864071144227372014-07-13T08:14:27.150-04:002014-07-13T08:14:27.150-04:00Fr JBS, I was not insulted or dismayed by your sta...Fr JBS, I was not insulted or dismayed by your statements. I grew up in NY....I can recall in my minds eye Fr Passamonte staring back at the pitcher shouting WTF was that, after a spaldeen was pitched high and tight. I have more respect for plain speaking Priests that the batch of PC types we produce now.<br /><br />Having said that, why should I write a letter to ED? SP empowers Priests to provide without approval from their Bishops, let alone Rome. At my place of employment I fight for what is right and just in defiance to the Corporation, and at cost to my career growth and salary. I would think Priests would be expected to do no less. So I must conclude that with the clergy in general don't support SP, or they are frightened of their Bishops. In either case I am done with them, the Diocese, and the Church in general. I am a few years away from bidding good riddance to the Diocese of Savannah, and when I do I will find a Parish where the priests don't need to be petitioned to do the right thing. Good for me, good for them, and only bad for the Diocese of Savannah, which after 18 years of residence I can find almost nothing good to say about. Hmmmm, on second thought, it's good for the Diocese too, since it's obvious they're glad to be rid of me and my kind.<br /><br />As for Anon2 and his defense of "Odumbo, the DHS, etc".....The Church, at the request of the DHS, blah, blah, blah. The Government in general and the DHS in particular are vile cesspools. the Church needs to stay AWAY from them. And yes I mean ALL that implies. Templarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18204866760862707908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-55012734572642967592014-07-12T21:28:43.029-04:002014-07-12T21:28:43.029-04:00Anon2:
In your reply to Carol you referenced Isaia...Anon2:<br />In your reply to Carol you referenced Isaiah 6:8. Did you read the rest of Isaiah 6? Somehow I don't think that's what the writer of the song had in mind. I will say also that Carol's objection is a big one for me. In addition, looking at the first line: "I, the Lord of sea and sky," Well, Isis was a goddess of the sea and sky. You can get certain images from some of these lines that the author (I hope) did not intend. It sounds like a line from a character playing a a pagan god in mythology/fantasy film.<br />Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-32947121179664646122014-07-12T21:26:28.938-04:002014-07-12T21:26:28.938-04:00Actually, the quote from Tennessee had nothing to ...Actually, the quote from Tennessee had nothing to do with spirit and passion. Gay or not (and he was probably more "bi," having had several relationships with women early on and actually traveling cross country with one for a year or more) Tennessee had great insight into heterosexual human relationships and a profound understanding of original sin…better than Faulkner's since Faulkner was a humanist. For all the comparisons and papers written about such stuff, Tennessee is closer to Flannery O'Connor than he is to William Faulkner in his understanding of human nature. So, yeah, I quote him quite a bit.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19594365214676066892014-07-12T21:13:09.206-04:002014-07-12T21:13:09.206-04:00Merlot:
Gene said above that "Luther was not ...Merlot:<br />Gene said above that "Luther was not wrong about everything". So I would say that he is not being inconsistent or out of character in finding something useful in Tennessee Williams writings.<br />Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78866426936889719522014-07-12T20:09:53.647-04:002014-07-12T20:09:53.647-04:00Is it just me, or does anyone else think it is jus...Is it just me, or does anyone else think it is just adorable that Gene quotes a gay man when he writes of "spirit and passion"?<br /><br />Merlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29053405815988782462014-07-12T19:10:38.273-04:002014-07-12T19:10:38.273-04:00Tennessee Williams! I suppose he did have a certa...Tennessee Williams! I suppose he did have a certain sort of "spirit and passion". Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6402379615197906182014-07-12T19:05:07.072-04:002014-07-12T19:05:07.072-04:00Alas, Gene, these are troubling times. It's i...Alas, Gene, these are troubling times. It's impolite to be a man, except for the bumbling males on television. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10052269040749317252014-07-12T18:47:07.759-04:002014-07-12T18:47:07.759-04:00JBS, I have no shock or dismay at your language. T...JBS, I have no shock or dismay at your language. There are too many people on this blog and everywhere else that are terrified of straight talk, anger, a little harsh language, and people with spirit and passion. To quote Tennessee Williams, "screw them."Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57994917488232589512014-07-12T18:30:10.705-04:002014-07-12T18:30:10.705-04:00Anon 2, just watch. The Church will be leading the...Anon 2, just watch. The Church will be leading the pack insisting that all these illegal aliens be allowed to remain in this country. Bishops and Priests will stumble over each other, claw each other's skin, trying too get to the head of the pro-illegal alien line. It is going to be a bigger circus than the average NO liturgy.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48148749393358653392014-07-12T18:27:57.797-04:002014-07-12T18:27:57.797-04:00My intention was to provide motivation, such as th...My intention was to provide motivation, such as that given by a coach, to Templar. But since there is such shock and dismay at my attempt, I shall delete it.Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28298966895993384782014-07-12T18:04:02.321-04:002014-07-12T18:04:02.321-04:00The song is, indeed, theologically insipid, especi...The song is, indeed, theologically insipid, especially in this age of radical immanence and humanistic thinking. We do not need this junk. We need Christological songs, songs about the majesty and sovereignty of God, songs about the Incarnation and Resurrection, songs based upon the Creeds, songs about God's wrath and judgement tempered by His great mercy. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87743683087548531502014-07-12T16:47:06.860-04:002014-07-12T16:47:06.860-04:00Templar:
I do not want to add fuel to the fire on...Templar:<br /><br />I do not want to add fuel to the fire on this thread and I am going to talk about something different than the exchange between you and Father JBS.<br /><br />You provided a link yesterday with the comment that it was an example of the Post-Vatican II Church aiding and abetting criminal activity. I read the article and want to correct what I believe may be an erroneous impression created by your comment. It seems there may indeed be a zoning issue regarding the use of the former convent to house the arriving mothers and children temporarily (overnight I believe until they leave for another destination in the U.S. pending further proceedings). But I suspect you were focused more on the idea that the mothers and children are arriving in the country illegally. Regarding this I would make two observations. <br /><br />First, the Archdiocese is housing them at the request of the DHS, which has detained these arrivals. So the Archdiocese is aiding and abetting immigration enforcement, something I would have thought you would be happy about, and not violation of the law. Aiding and abetting violation of the law would be, for example, if the Church was hiding them from ICE, instead of ICE bringing them to the former convent after requesting the Church’s assistance with housing. Second, there is an argument to be made that those arriving who turn out to have legitimate asylum claims, for example, should not be regarded as illegal anyway, for they are arriving to claim rights under the law. And until they are properly processed under the law (which the Church has no jurisdiction to do itself) the Church cannot tell who has a legitimate claim and who does not, in other words who is illegal and who is not. You may not like the law but that is a different point.<br /><br />On the broader issue, our immigration system is in dire need of overhaul. But these clowns in Washington seem more intent on drawing their salaries and enjoying other perks, and in schoolyard brawling, than in actually governing the country. So much for doing the people’s business! In any other enterprise they would have been let go a long time ago. This probably explains why their approval ratings are so incredibly low.<br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37960921396817934292014-07-12T12:53:56.456-04:002014-07-12T12:53:56.456-04:00Anon friend,
Templar's Blogger name distingui...Anon friend,<br /><br />Templar's Blogger name distinguishes him as a man of courage and purpose, and someone who can handle a little direct talk. Who knows, if my words serve as the kick in the pants he needs, he might just get something constructive done about the situation he decries. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.com