tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3366250065864301567..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: WHIPPING IT UP LITURGICALLY IN MAINZFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56624711868903756052014-08-22T10:14:49.850-04:002014-08-22T10:14:49.850-04:00Also, had I been around in Germany in the 1950s (w...Also, had I been around in Germany in the 1950s (which I wasn't) to have to endure a Vorbeter (commentator) who would have been a bloke in a suit standing on the sanctuary steps reciting the prayers of the Mass while the priest and server muttered to each other in Latin would have been unacceptable. The Liturgical Movement had some good ideas, but some truly awful ones.Wipo of Mainznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54294264721205098952014-08-22T05:55:13.210-04:002014-08-22T05:55:13.210-04:00In England and Wales EMHC were seen from the outse...In England and Wales EMHC were seen from the outset as a way of giving a greater liturgical role to women. At the time of their introduction (1980s) women could be lay readers but were not allowed to serve at the altar. At the same time Communion in both kinds became the norm. Having recruited a vast army of EMHC, employment had to be found for them. The Vatican knew full well what was going on, and attempts to reprobate established practice as an abuse in Redemptionis Sacramentum (2004) was a classic case of locking the stable door after the horse had bolted.<br /><br />An instituted Acolyte is ex officio an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion, and in addition is permitted to purify the sacred vessels. However, he must be male, and so there was no way the bishops were going to run with this one. Similarly intinction was discouraged for the clearly stated reason that it would make EMs redundant.<br /><br />In recent years bishops have issued stricter guidelines but even these are ignored - EMHC still approach the altar before the priest's Communion, still help themselves to the Chalice, still illicitly perform the ablutions and still pour the Precious Blood into the sacrarium after Mass. Most parishes still call them 'Eucharistic Ministers'.<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13680143627926722272014-08-21T22:42:42.491-04:002014-08-21T22:42:42.491-04:00I agree with Cameron. It would be an inappropriate...I agree with Cameron. It would be an inappropriate liturgical "investment". Once these EMHC's were "fully vested", besides being a temptation to "inflation" of the ego, it might cause an expectation of certain other "dividends". Of course there would be some who could "manage" this without there being a "loss" or "depreciation" of spiritual "capital" or excessive self-"interest". The "risk vs. "return" would not be worth it.<br />Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21082539022433048912014-08-21T16:55:05.409-04:002014-08-21T16:55:05.409-04:00Joe don't vest them. That would seem to legiti...Joe don't vest them. That would seem to legitimize them. Cameronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48782630046945183432014-08-21T15:45:39.597-04:002014-08-21T15:45:39.597-04:00I argue EMHC's (if used during Mass) should be...I argue EMHC's (if used during Mass) should be vested out of respect for the Blessed Sacrament, and being in the sanctuary. I still hold to this rule...whenever I'm in the sanctuary, I'm vested in cassock out of respect for the Holy of Holies...Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.com