tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post329807525246541159..comments2024-03-28T12:59:52.914-04:00Comments on southern orders: MORE ON THE AUTHENTIC INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN II WHICH IS FAR FROM THE HERETICAL RUPTURE INTERPRETATION THAT WE WERE SPOON FED UNTIL ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGOFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53491490199635864642012-12-21T12:50:20.962-05:002012-12-21T12:50:20.962-05:00Gene, I became a Christian while at university tha...Gene, I became a Christian while at university thanks entirely to an ecumenical group of charismatics who believed that evangelizing the lost was necessary to be faithful to the Lord's command. (It was in their company that I first came across Fr. Cantalamessa - me being a sola scriptura Calvinist at that point.)<br /><br />The fact that the Holy Spirit subsequently led me home to the one true Church founded by Our Lord, does not take away the fact that He used the zeal of these faith-filled young men to grab me by the scruff of the neck in the first place.<br /><br />So to answer your question "What good has come out of the charismatic movement?", I would say: a saving encounter with Christ, a love for Scripture, a zeal for spreading the Gospel and for me personally, a healing from a narcotic addiction, escape from a motorcycle gang and regaining a human life.<br /><br />So I would say much good in fact. But much good isn't enough when we have a loving Father in heaven who wants to give us every good.Deacon Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03549825303646357455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-40980825163996194062012-12-20T06:50:25.938-05:002012-12-20T06:50:25.938-05:00Augustine, What good has come out of the charismat...Augustine, What good has come out of the charismatic movement?Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86621697824900552422012-12-19T21:26:23.762-05:002012-12-19T21:26:23.762-05:00Cantalamessa is a charismaniac and the renewal he ...Cantalamessa is a charismaniac and the renewal he is alluding to mainly is the Charismatic Renewal movement. Their prevailing mythology is that Vatican II initiated a new Pentecost in the Church and the previously absent Holy Spirit turned up again.<br /><br />I wouldn't deny that some good has come from the Charismatic movement,but there have been awful abuses as well, particularly in the fields of ecumenical and interreligious relativism, liturgical anarchy, undermining the sacraments and twisting of Scipture to justify all kinds of doctrinal and canonical aberrations.<br /><br />If you believe that Vatican II coincided with a neglected Holy Spirit being rediscovered in the Church again, then I guess you would think of it as a new Pentecost. Personally I don't believe He was ever absent.Deacon Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03549825303646357455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-47894940212755245682012-12-16T13:29:16.101-05:002012-12-16T13:29:16.101-05:00I'm also wondering where this new pentecost is...I'm also wondering where this new pentecost is happening. Certainly not in any parishes near where I live. I recently mentioned to my priest that there weren't many young people in the parish. He said maybe we should get a rock band for one of the masses because that's what the youth seem to want. Honestly, it's like watching someone you love dying and the doctors just keep telling you how well they look.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69574658479843613542012-12-15T16:06:35.119-05:002012-12-15T16:06:35.119-05:00It still looks like it is a deeply flawed document...It still looks like it is a deeply flawed document that was either undermined and weakened to allow the terrible events that have happened, or it has been intentionally misinterpreted for the same reason. Either way there are millions of lost souls like the people you mentioned who either didn't want to be buried or think there is some last second button to push "to get into heaven". There are some shepherds in big trouble.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50717165895037756512012-12-15T10:37:04.149-05:002012-12-15T10:37:04.149-05:00Yeah, I don't get it. Please spoon feed me.
...Yeah, I don't get it. Please spoon feed me.<br /><br />There was supposedly this "renewal" after Vatican II, or we're supposedly going through it right now, but I don't see much of it. Either I'm blind or this renewal hasn't started yet.<br /><br />What is this secret renewal the Vatican II-istas love to talk about? Where is it? Because all I see in Christendom, with few exceptions, is destruction all around me. I WANT to see it, I really do, but I can't. <br /><br />Where it do be at? Where is the RENEWAL? Give me CONCRETE examples. Give me qualitative examples of how the Church is more potent now than it was before the Council. I'm not saying the Council was bad, blah blah, I'm not a heretic, but I do not believe it caused this secret renewal some get all giddy and vibrate their bodies about.ytcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90625876659796388892012-12-15T09:58:29.472-05:002012-12-15T09:58:29.472-05:00"When asked whether there was a new Pentecost..."When asked whether there was a new Pentecost, we should respond without hesitation: Yes!"<br /><br />Is everyone--other than Pope Benedict and Cardinal Burke and ?--in the Vatican delusional? How could a preacher say this kind of stuff without assuming that his audience was largely delusional, utterly unaware of what has happened in the Church?Henry Edwardsnoreply@blogger.com