tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3184666288040602210..comments2024-03-28T01:50:39.781-04:00Comments on southern orders: POLARIZATION IN THE CHURCH NOT SEEN SINCE THE 1960'S! CARDINAL WUERL DENIGRATES CARDINAL DOLAN AND OTHERS WHO SIGNED A LETTER OF CONCERN TO THE POPE!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16811853179714837332015-10-20T09:20:10.844-04:002015-10-20T09:20:10.844-04:00Gene, I agree with you exactly. A split already e...Gene, I agree with you exactly. A split already exists -- all that is left is deciding which side of that split we are on.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27398980307440298222015-10-20T06:22:29.074-04:002015-10-20T06:22:29.074-04:00I think it is all over but the choosing...we wait ...I think it is all over but the choosing...we wait to see how many factions of the Church there are after this de-construction, then go with which group we believe to embody the true Church. There may be many choices. We may all end up evangelicals. LOL!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14766801392827860082015-10-19T20:43:24.697-04:002015-10-19T20:43:24.697-04:00I hate to see this infighting among cardinals. Not...I hate to see this infighting among cardinals. Not that contretemps haven't occurred in previous councils and synods. Prior to the era of modern media most Catholics would not have known about these things except to read about them much after the fact, if they read about them at all. Had this airing of disputes in public occurred during Vatican II, I wonder how things would have played out back then. Perhaps there was a greater ecclesiastical decorum in those days and publicly the cardinals would make sure to put on their best face. Times were different then. We now know that behind the scenes there were things going on.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05809499822558662728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86828585189751532122015-10-19T11:11:59.276-04:002015-10-19T11:11:59.276-04:00Dialogue,
That's a good quote. My problem is...Dialogue,<br /><br />That's a good quote. My problem is this: there is little basis for good dialogue because there are some people for whom words do not have their ordinary meaning or who are not afraid to play fast and loose with language and definitions. The problem with meaningful dialogue in our post-Enlightenment, post-modern milieu is that the people who so badly want dialogue are not willing or are unable to use an objective frame of reference. <br /><br />It seems like we are experiencing a philosophical Tower of Babel, if that makes sense. Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83106114472872925572015-10-19T10:04:40.584-04:002015-10-19T10:04:40.584-04:00Marc,
The dialogue we need is described clearly i...Marc,<br /><br />The dialogue we need is described clearly in Pope Paul VI's encyclical Ecclesiam Suam. But even in that very letter, the pope said: "...however much men may be committed to the Church, they are deeply affected by the climate of the world. They run the risk of becoming confused, bewildered and alarmed, and this is a state of affairs which strikes at the very roots of the Church. It drives many people to adopt the most outlandish views. They imagine that the Church should abdicate its proper role, and adopt an entirely new and unprecedented mode of existence. Modernism might be cited as an example."Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2183340110602469152015-10-19T08:53:52.074-04:002015-10-19T08:53:52.074-04:00Dialogue is a term thrown around in liberal Protes...Dialogue is a term thrown around in liberal Protestantism basically meaning you talk and talk until your agenda gets pushed through, i assume it means the same thing in our Holy, Catholic Church. Speaking of cardinals against cardinals, is there not a famous Marian apparition that speaks of this? Menashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11735894555544111973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3317870095987710652015-10-19T08:25:33.522-04:002015-10-19T08:25:33.522-04:00Dialogue, if dialogue were a good in itself, then ...Dialogue, if dialogue were a good in itself, then you'd have an excellent point. Since the good we are after is Truth, dialogue is an evil in this case where it seeks to undermine the clarity of the truth that was already widely known. Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53220481331228407082015-10-19T08:09:49.270-04:002015-10-19T08:09:49.270-04:00I agree with you. If they have disagreements, whi...I agree with you. If they have disagreements, which we can all assume that they sometimes do, then I'd prefer that they discuss them in private. But I suppose an argument can be made that public dialogue among the cardinals stimulates such dialogue elsewhere. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.com