tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post2993484693408223131..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHICH ORDERS HAVE DONE MORE HARM, PROGRESSIVE OR TRADITIONAL: YOU WOULD THINK THAT ONLY THE TRADITIONAL ONES ARE THE ONES TO WORRY ABOUT WHEN YOU READ WHAT POPE FRANCIS SAYS, BUT I SUSPECT THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THIS Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80933090827070242142017-02-10T16:24:46.304-05:002017-02-10T16:24:46.304-05:00Anonymous,
There are prudential matters affecting...Anonymous,<br /><br />There are prudential matters affecting Church life which can authentically be approached from either a perspective of conservation or a perspective of liberality. However, in discussions about faith and morals, there is simply fidelity and infidelity. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-33650678054287283072017-02-10T16:22:02.410-05:002017-02-10T16:22:02.410-05:00When Charles G. has had enough, there has certainl...When Charles G. has had enough, there has certainly been enough. Basta. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-65453284536639381492017-02-09T23:56:34.146-05:002017-02-09T23:56:34.146-05:00This Pope is certainly a divider and not a uniter....This Pope is certainly a divider and not a uniter. A variety of charismas and spiritualities in the Church? Forget it, everyone including religious orders must now in this age of Aquarian mercy walk in lockstep with the hippy Pope's 1970s new age spirituality. No thanks for me. He is no leader. I literally cannot stand to read anything this man says, and it is increasing my anger at this Church whose leadership doesn't care one iota about preserving the timeless traditional teachings and practices of the Church handed down from of old.Charles Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13885623142582054662017-02-09T22:35:19.440-05:002017-02-09T22:35:19.440-05:00Anonymous, we use those terms because the National...Anonymous, we use those terms because the National Anti-Catholic Reporter (a left wing loon rag masquerading as a "Catholic" newspaper) does. I prefer the term Catholic versus fake catholic.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61911880873051265572017-02-09T19:11:52.792-05:002017-02-09T19:11:52.792-05:00I don't know why people are using the terms li...I don't know why people are using the terms liberal and conservative. Shouldn't they be using good and bad or good and evil? Liberal versus conservative sounds so political, like some people are watching way too much TV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15484137866837113242017-02-09T16:38:00.870-05:002017-02-09T16:38:00.870-05:00Depends on how you define harm....in a spiritual s...Depends on how you define harm....in a spiritual sense, definitely the orders that are liberal....Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34022101808286899762017-02-09T16:20:23.486-05:002017-02-09T16:20:23.486-05:00Henry,
I know recall that terrible history at the...Henry,<br /><br />I know recall that terrible history at the liberal Benedictine Abbey! I bet Pope Frank will not focus on groups like this. He will show them "mercy."TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-40711952321183502152017-02-09T16:06:16.329-05:002017-02-09T16:06:16.329-05:00Henry, you and I are not the first to notice that ...Henry, you and I are not the first to notice that some people don't have problems with deviant behavior simply because they don't care. The charges only matter for traditionalists because they do care and attempt to avoid those temptations. This gives joy to demons that live in the hearts of those liberals because they can mock, humiliate, and most importantly defeat the traditionalist from proclaiming the word of God. It is interesting to note, however, that liberals are most infatuated with accusing someone of being a hypocrite and see that as the greatest ut of all. Of course for them it is a sin because their lord expects them, once fallen, to remain so because it is the easiest path. Our Lord not only knows we will fall again He offers to help us Rise each time. So they betray a great weapon we can use to fight them in the public square: publish their hypocrisies with an offer of redemption and the promise of foregivness. <br /><br />For what it is worth this might be the best reason for public confession and contrition. Our internal forum can work against us if we use it to hide shame. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85564297517881883152017-02-09T13:57:01.913-05:002017-02-09T13:57:01.913-05:00rcg: "If you are asking if they have the same...rcg: "If you are asking if they have the same issue with sex as the traditional orders the answer is certainly 'no'."<br /><br />Certainly not, the sexual deviance (i.e., homosexuality) in certainly "liberal" religious orders is far greater than that alleged in any traditional order that I'm aware of.<br /><br />PrayTell, think of a certain notorious Benedictine monastery, home to a well-known ultra-liturgical blog, about half of whose monks have been accused of sexual abuse. The 18 monks referred to in the article quoted below are only a minority of those who have been the subject to "credible accusations".<br /><br />https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/sexual-abuse-st-johns-abbey-revealed-15000-page-disclosure<br /><br />"St. John’s Abbey, one of the largest Benedictine monasteries in the U.S., released more than 15,000 pages of documents Tuesday related to 18 priests it said 'likely offended' sexually against minors dating back to the 1960s."<br /><br />"The disclosure comes as the latest chapter in the jagged history for the Benedictine community in Collegeville, Minn., on the issue of clergy sexual abuse, one that at times has seen it attempt to lead in understanding the epidemic but at others fall ill to the plague of its horrors. Like many others before them, the disclosed documents provide a recounting of what the abbey knew when regarding each monk -- nearly half of whom have died -- and often the attempts to shuttle them from place to place to avoid possible lawsuits and scandal."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13219228174009203062017-02-09T13:31:38.214-05:002017-02-09T13:31:38.214-05:00John Nolan,
You have articulated the concerns of ...John Nolan,<br /><br />You have articulated the concerns of many faithful Catholics. This Pope is a master of "projection", accusing others of the very conduct he allegedly deplores. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29635813388684834972017-02-09T12:44:33.787-05:002017-02-09T12:44:33.787-05:00'Restorationist' is a pejorative term used...'Restorationist' is a pejorative term used by liberals to denigrate those who uphold tradition. And once again we have the deployment of his favourite term 'rigid' which in fact means 'orthodox'.<br /><br />Is this man mad or bad or both? Or is the odious and slippery Spadaro manipulating him? In any event, I have lost what little confidence I have in this dysfunctional papacy and pray for its speedy end.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13409644561711654612017-02-09T12:00:36.453-05:002017-02-09T12:00:36.453-05:00It is likely that 'liberal' (attitudes and...It is likely that 'liberal' (attitudes and politics) religious orders have different crises than 'conservative' ones. If you are asking if they have the same issue with sex as the traditional orders the answer is certainly 'no'. Since they disagree with Church teachings on sex and morality They don't need to prey on the children of the parishoners because they have each other and the accolytes in their seminaries. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69537957871530751612017-02-09T11:44:35.755-05:002017-02-09T11:44:35.755-05:00Fr. McDonald: "The Franciscans of the Immacul...Fr. McDonald: "The Franciscans of the Immaculate may have had some of the same issues with the cult of the personality and people who were escaping the world by using religious life to do it."<br /><br />Can you cite any basis for this speculation on your part? Absent any factual basis, such speculation seems inappropriate and unfair (if not detractive) to what to all appearances a refreshingly vibrant and wholesomely spiritual order.<br /><br />On the other had, there is considerable evidence for the suggestion that the FFI was suppressed solely because their orthodoxy and spirituality were so conspicuously at variance with Vatican authorities who are aligned with more liberal (and less successful) orders, and who in particular are antipathetic to Summorum Pontificum and the TLM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50815693501574901122017-02-09T11:25:35.395-05:002017-02-09T11:25:35.395-05:00Anonymous at 10:47
You are likely onto something ...Anonymous at 10:47<br /><br />You are likely onto something here. Also good advice!TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6601540579858254312017-02-09T11:08:13.470-05:002017-02-09T11:08:13.470-05:00"Can anyone name any male religious order tha..."Can anyone name any male religious order that is liberal that has had the same disaster as the Legionaries of Christ?" Fr. McDonald, liberal religious orders have their own disasters to deal with--like maybe-- they are dying? <br /><br />"...and people who were escaping the world by using religious life to do it." Fr. McDonald, are you telling us people who join liberal religious orders cannot be engaged in the same escapism? Kindly explain, for I am mystified by your comment. And just what is "escaping the world"? How is it measured, and how does your analysis distinguish the legitimate desire to reject the world and its corruptions (I John 2:15) and what you regard as "escapism"?Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16678140349582809723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-12526837112277982602017-02-09T10:54:10.122-05:002017-02-09T10:54:10.122-05:00Fr. McDonald,
Liberal orders, who have caused far...Fr. McDonald,<br /><br />Liberal orders, who have caused far more damage to the Faith, aren't focused on because they are the favored pets in the Church. But they are dying out whereas the more traditional ones are growing. The biological solution will take care of the problem. This is another example of Pope Francis' twisted notion of "mercy."TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4699745670624185252017-02-09T10:52:02.482-05:002017-02-09T10:52:02.482-05:00"We will get things wrong sometimes, yes, but..."We will get things wrong sometimes, yes, but there is always the mercy of God on our side!"<br /> These words bring me no comfort whatsoever given this pope's wrecking-ball tendencies. <br /><br />""When I am told that there is a Congregation that attracts many vocations, I confess, I am worried," says the pope."<br /> He is worried because they threaten his Jesuit world view. <br /><br />" And she must continue to go out. She shouldn’t go back to hiding in the Upper Room."<br /><br /> Were any Trappists in attendance? Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16678140349582809723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39116729046835410722017-02-09T10:47:21.606-05:002017-02-09T10:47:21.606-05:00What's the use of saying anything after readin...What's the use of saying anything after reading that. I just ignore him, say a Hail Mary for him and go about my business shaking my head. He must be a really unhappy, miserable soul. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19630726137842124012017-02-09T10:45:21.595-05:002017-02-09T10:45:21.595-05:00I suspect that the Holy Father is thinking of orde...I suspect that the Holy Father is thinking of orders that are more structured, traditional and rigid, like the Legionaries of Christ, who attracted all kinds of young men for the priesthood, but whose founder was a fraud but had a charismatic personality and was able to attract based upon the cult of the personality. That doesn't happen in liberal orders since these have become so individualistic and they are all over the place in terms of spirituality, piety, devotion and apostolate. <br /><br />The Franciscans of the Immaculate may have had some of the same issues with the cult of the personality and people who were escaping the world by using religious life to do it.<br /><br />Think of the movie Sound of Music when the wonderful Benedictine Abbess tells Maria that nuns don't escape the world but join for altruistic reasons, then she sends her to that large family. <br /><br />Can anyone name any male religious order that is liberal that has had the same disaster as the Legionaries of Christ? Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42564514297962313912017-02-09T10:36:17.725-05:002017-02-09T10:36:17.725-05:00Yikes. Whenever I hear a leader talking like this...Yikes. Whenever I hear a leader talking like this I feel like he is distracted and maybe a little lost. People in this circumstance tend to react rather than act. So you get responses like the Knights of Malta while simultaneously sitting on an admitted den of vipers. Ironically, for a guy who likes to think of himself as a common man he really over-thinks things. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8087741653339659452017-02-09T10:35:20.498-05:002017-02-09T10:35:20.498-05:00It's easy to see see how Archbishop Bergoglio ...It's easy to see see how Archbishop Bergoglio succeeded in reducing vocations in Buenos Aires virtually to scratch. Let's hope that the attitudes he expresses here do not spread this success to the whole Church. Evidently he's antipathetic to those orders that are vibrant with orthodox faith and spirituality. If they're too vibrant and faithful, like the Franciscans of the Immaculate, they'd better watch their backs. Apparently better to be faithless and degenerate, even heterodox, in order to enjoy ecclesiastical favor in the current environment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com