tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post2895975583141153048..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: TIME TO WHINE! WHY O WHY CAN'T EVERY PARISH IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH CELEBRATE EPIPHANY ON JANUARY 6TH (AS WELL AS THE TRUE DATE OF OTHER TRANSFERRED SOLEMNITIES) LIKE POPE FRANCIS DOES IN ROME AND WHY O WHY CAN'T EVERY PARISH HAVE ORDINARY FORM LITURGIES LIKE POPE FRANCIS HAS IN ROME? WHY O WHY I WHINE?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23236095538513514302017-01-12T11:34:55.469-05:002017-01-12T11:34:55.469-05:00Anonymous 2
Benedict XVI was reminding the UN tha...Anonymous 2<br /><br />Benedict XVI was reminding the UN that the Holy See has been a major player on the diplomatic stage for centuries.<br /><br />In 2010 Stephen Fry, the nations favourite know-all, was slapped down by an historian for pooh-poohing this, on the grounds that the Vatican State has only been around since 1929!<br /><br />Do you accept my criticisms of the UN? You haven't refuted them.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75874122345367202322017-01-12T11:26:20.019-05:002017-01-12T11:26:20.019-05:00Sorry to be a bit late on this one, but Fr K's...Sorry to be a bit late on this one, but Fr K's 'historical facts' are more nuanced than he seems to realize. There was certainly a tendency for smaller communities to coalesce into larger ones, but it is not a universal principle. In 1066 William of Normandy had himself crowned as Rex Anglie; he then subdivided his lands into fiefs (grants of land in return for military service) with the proviso that he was still overlord.<br /><br />Charlemagne ruled over an empire which included France, Germany and Italy; it did not long survive his death. Charles V was both King of Spain and Holy Roman Emperor but he himself found it necessary to subdivide his realms. And what about the British Empire, which in living memory encompassed a third of the globe?<br /><br />The inevitable march towards larger and larger entities is not inevitable when seen in the context of history.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8735092823970987242017-01-09T16:41:19.073-05:002017-01-09T16:41:19.073-05:00Well, 206pm, I think more people have heard of &qu...Well, 206pm, I think more people have heard of "Epiphany" than Ordinary Time. Like "the 12 days of Christmas."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25888946753734856882017-01-09T15:53:30.584-05:002017-01-09T15:53:30.584-05:00TJM:
Also, the Catholic Church does not agree wit...TJM:<br /><br />Also, the Catholic Church does not agree with your extreme views on the worthlessness of the United Nations. Here is but one example among many:<br /><br />http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2008/april/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20080418_un-visit.html<br /><br />Notice in particular the following passage in Pope Benedict’s address:<br /><br />“My presence at this Assembly is a sign of esteem for the United Nations, and it is intended to express the hope that the Organization will increasingly serve as a sign of unity between States and an instrument of service to the entire human family. It also demonstrates the willingness of the Catholic Church to offer her proper contribution to building international relations in a way that allows every person and every people to feel they can make a difference. In a manner that is consistent with her contribution in the ethical and moral sphere and the free activity of her faithful, the Church also works for the realization of these goals through the international activity of the Holy See. Indeed, the Holy See has always had a place at the assemblies of the Nations, thereby manifesting its specific character as a subject in the international domain. As the United Nations recently confirmed, the Holy See thereby makes its contribution according to the dispositions of international law, helps to define that law, and makes appeal to it.”<br /><br />But hey, what does he know. He’s only the Pope.<br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84849442550889749772017-01-09T15:13:57.457-05:002017-01-09T15:13:57.457-05:00TJM:
Your continued exploitation of the abortion ...TJM:<br /><br />Your continued exploitation of the abortion issue to rationalize your extreme views borders on the unconscionable.<br /> <br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7288239964822512322017-01-09T15:13:19.001-05:002017-01-09T15:13:19.001-05:00Gene:
So, as I suspected and as Anonymous recogni...Gene:<br /><br />So, as I suspected and as Anonymous recognizes, you fail to show that I have defended terrorists because you can’t. And you can’t because I haven’t—ever, anywhere. What I have said about Islam and Muslims has all been consistent with Catholic teaching about them, which of course you reject.<br /><br />My second point is related to your rejection of this and other teachings of the Church of course. But which is more childish—my reframe of your comment or you calling the Pope an idiot? Inquiring minds want to know.<br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48435722241929306972017-01-09T14:54:25.970-05:002017-01-09T14:54:25.970-05:00unless you are just another typical, untrained pos...unless you are just another typical, untrained post-Vatican II Catholic, you know the Ephiphany is January 6th. I think you can figure the Sunday out from there.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86635613987178760112017-01-09T14:06:47.873-05:002017-01-09T14:06:47.873-05:00And "The Second Sunday after Epiphany" i...And "The Second Sunday after Epiphany" is more understandable to those not attuned with Church jargon? How so?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19976650216464113982017-01-09T13:21:59.365-05:002017-01-09T13:21:59.365-05:00And while we are at it, lets go by the old calenda...And while we are at it, lets go by the old calendar like the such and such Sunday after Epiphany and Pentecost instead of the ABC Sunday in Ordinary Time. The latter sounds secular to those not attuned with Church lexicon. Heck, even the liberal Episcopal Church still uses the older, traditional calendar!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69788776202940162842017-01-09T08:51:13.911-05:002017-01-09T08:51:13.911-05:00Anon 2
You know Gene will not respond. And we kn...Anon 2<br /><br />You know Gene will not respond. And we know why - He can't.<br /><br />His accusations against you and others are, without exception, based on nothing more than his own fears and insecurities. He'll keep doing it, so I would not waste a nanosecond waiting for him to man-up and respond properly.<br /><br />That's his M. O. It's how he sees the world. It is sad, but I think he circumstances are unalterable, short of divine intervention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3580078284703249522017-01-09T07:09:26.182-05:002017-01-09T07:09:26.182-05:00Anon 2, You have defended Muslims, of whom terrori...Anon 2, You have defended Muslims, of whom terrorists are part and parcel. You have a long history on the blog of rushing to defend that false religion and its minions. I won't even respond to your second statement, which is just childish nonsense.Genenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52191171885124054692017-01-09T06:05:14.977-05:002017-01-09T06:05:14.977-05:00Anon 2
The UN agencies do useful work, although s...Anon 2<br /><br />The UN agencies do useful work, although some of them predate the organization itself. However, the UN's uncritical acceptance of anthropogenic climate change is ideologically driven and has the potential to be damaging, particularly to third-world economies. <br /><br />In terms of peacekeeping and conflict resolution the UN has not been a success. In the former Yugoslavia it failed dismally, and had to be bailed out by NATO. Who can forget the sight of armed UN forces standing idly by in Rwanda while civilians were being massacred? Also, check out the record of MONUC/MONUSCO in the DRC (forget the UN propaganda, even the Guardian with its internationalist credentials was highly critical).<br /><br />Granted, the Korean War was technically a UN operation, but only because when N.Korea invaded, the USSR was boycotting the Security Council.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18557896747285413252017-01-08T21:34:44.448-05:002017-01-08T21:34:44.448-05:00Bee here:
My parish did celebrate the Epiphany on...Bee here:<br /><br />My parish did celebrate the Epiphany on Friday Jan. 6th with Mass in the Extraordinary Form. It was a splendid high Latin Mass with 3 celebrants, a master of ceremonies, four altar boys (young men) and a bevy of acolytes. The Propers were chanted in Latin, both the Epistle and the Gospel were chanted, we even heard the Announcement of Easter on the Epiphany of Our Lord (in Latin), the choir sang beautifully, and incense smoked up the whole place! <br /><br />After the Mass the priests gathered at the entrance of the church with the congregation and prayed the blessing of the church for the Epiphany, marking above the door with 20 + K + M + B + 17. They had 3 large containers of Epiphany Holy Water which had been blessed before Mass using the Latin rite, to take home to bless your home, and blessed chalk and incense in small boxes to take home to say the prayers and mark above the entrance doors at home.<br /><br />The marking above the door in chalk is an Eastern European custom that has the first two digits of the year, then K for Kaspar, M for Melchior, and B for Balthasar, then the last two digits of the year. Our parish is a traditionally Polish parish, and although there are few Poles that still attend, the pastor carries on the tradition.<br /><br />I must say it was like celebrating Christmas again, and it was very joyous. It was very well attended, and people seemed to be so joyful as they left the church. Maybe at least sometimes wishes come true, Fr. McD!<br /><br />God bless,<br />Bee<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25237869162712606062017-01-08T21:33:12.696-05:002017-01-08T21:33:12.696-05:00Anonymous 2,
You can defend the indefensible if y...Anonymous 2,<br /><br />You can defend the indefensible if you wish. On the abortion issue alone, any FAITHFUL Catholic should reject this evil organisation because it will never be possible to change its evil policy of promoting an intrinsic evil. The only time the UN has done ANY good is when the US prodded this essentially worthless organization to do so. This loser organisation is just another left-wing loon fantasy. The US, England, Canada, Australia and other countries which are democratic and support individual freedom should dump this kleptocracy and if they deem it necessary form another organization to pursues goals of mutual concern on an as needed basis. If you want to see a useful idiot, look in the mirror.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52809911855978068372017-01-08T16:47:57.997-05:002017-01-08T16:47:57.997-05:00TJM:
There you go again—throwing out the baby wit...TJM:<br /><br />There you go again—throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Of course the U.N. is an imperfect body, in some respects indeed a very imperfect body. But not in all, or even in most, respects. The U.N. has also done a great deal of good in the 70 plus years since its founding. The following Wikipedia article will provide an overview of its many activities (including those of its specialized agencies addressing matters as varied as telecommunications, postal services, monetary stability, health, meteorology, civil aviation, and intellectual property):<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_specialized_agencies_of_the_United_Nations<br /><br />You may as well impugn the entire U.S. government because certain aspects are flawed, or indeed the entire Catholic Church because of the sex abuse scandal, or the U.S. military because of rapes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan and the widely reported culture of rape that has existed within it in recent years. <br /><br />What is needed is reform of the U.N. not wholesale rejection, although I recognize that apparently this is an impossibly nuanced distinction for the new world order conspiracy crowd.<br /><br />As for your point, then, that “the term ‘useful idiots’ is as applicable today as it was in Lenin's time,” the questions are: Who are the “idiots”? And to whom are they “useful”? Clearly, the answers are a matter of one’s perspective.<br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59242672582303546002017-01-08T15:41:45.084-05:002017-01-08T15:41:45.084-05:00Gene:
I am still waiting for a response to my req...Gene:<br /><br />I am still waiting for a response to my request regarding your defamatory slur.<br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71000497853858918462017-01-08T09:44:22.892-05:002017-01-08T09:44:22.892-05:00A global body such as the UN is a grave threat to ...A global body such as the UN is a grave threat to Catholicism, so Father Kavanaugh and his ilk should be careful what they wish for: the UN is rabidly pro-abortion, rabidly population control, their "peace-keeping" forces in Africa have committed rape with impunity, and they have denounced the only Democracy in the Mideast, Israel. I guess the term "useful idiots" is as applicable today as it was in Lenin's time. According to the political left, world wide Communism was inevitable. Kavanaugh is always good for a laugh and Exibit A for why the Catholic Church is floundering. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89456679767762996082017-01-08T06:29:36.093-05:002017-01-08T06:29:36.093-05:00Salutatory should be saltatory.Salutatory should be saltatory.Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8758804942622045052017-01-07T21:47:04.785-05:002017-01-07T21:47:04.785-05:00Gene (at 4:58):
(1) “And, once again, we have A...Gene (at 4:58): <br /><br />(1) “And, once again, we have Anon 2 defending his Muslim terrorist buddies”<br /><br />Please either justify this slur by showing where I have defended terrorists or withdraw it.<br /><br />(2) “Anyone who thinks otherwise, Pope or pauper, is an idiot.”<br /><br />Translation: “Anyone who thinks otherwise than Gene is an idiot.”<br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46243128845748730582017-01-07T17:50:51.987-05:002017-01-07T17:50:51.987-05:00To celebrate Holy Days on their actual dates one c...To celebrate Holy Days on their actual dates one can always attend Mass at a monastery which follows the calendar of its Order, e.g. Benedictine houses of the Solesmes congregation. Alternatively one can attend Mass in the traditional Roman Rite - churches which offer both forms usually schedule an EF Mass on the correct day. I have noticed that people who normally attend the OF will attend the EF on (say) Ascension Thursday despite the fact that the obligation is removed.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-45639132657605777232017-01-07T16:58:33.148-05:002017-01-07T16:58:33.148-05:00And, once again, we have Anon 2 defending his Musl...And, once again, we have Anon 2 defending his Muslim terrorist buddies. Mohammed was a false prophet by every definition of such. Islam is non-Trinitarian, Arian, and an enemy of the Church. Anyone who thinks otherwise, Pope or pauper, is an idiot.Genenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-55603218557542544472017-01-07T16:56:04.894-05:002017-01-07T16:56:04.894-05:00Kavanaugh...RE: national borders not meaning much ...Kavanaugh...RE: national borders not meaning much since the airplane: Try flying over Russia, China, or Korea in a private unidentified aircraft and you will learn all about national borders. Better yet, have another nation's military fly a fighter aircraft over their borders and see what happens. Are all liberals mentally retarded?Genenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-35802065055083820652017-01-07T15:18:41.304-05:002017-01-07T15:18:41.304-05:00A "unified Italy" would, in pre-Garibald...A "unified Italy" would, in pre-Garibaldi days, would have been considered a "contradiction in terms." <br /><br />Poland's cultural identity today might be very different if 3 million Polish Jews, half of the 6 million Poles who died in that war, had not been eliminated. Circumstances change. <br /><br />Sometimes those changes are salutatory rather than incremental. Rapid communication - printing in Luther's time and the internet in our own - is such an agent. Sometimes this is to the good, sometimes not.<br /><br />Supra-national organizations will become more and more necessary and, potentially, beneficial, as our planet becomes more of a global community. Hamilton's "Report on the National Credit of 1790" was a shocker, but he was right. Until the circumstances required it, the assumption of the war debts of the many states by the federal government was of "limited use." The Federal government of the USA assumed the debt of the many states, paid off that debt, and resulted in a more unified United States.<br /><br />I think it is inevitable. I know it will be uncomfortable. But it is inevitable.<br /><br />Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90000910275303099632017-01-07T15:06:47.013-05:002017-01-07T15:06:47.013-05:00In the interests of producing more light than heat...In the interests of producing more light than heat, here is the article on “globalization” from Wilkipedia, which exhaustively discusses the meaning of the term “globalization” as well as the historical and contemporary processes of globalization:<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization#Support_and_criticism<br /><br />The article also explains that “Globophobia has been used to refer to the fear of globalization, though it can also mean the fear of balloons.” =)<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83221312188274252402017-01-07T12:17:26.008-05:002017-01-07T12:17:26.008-05:00A 'global nation' is a contradiction in te...A 'global nation' is a contradiction in terms. I accept that JP II was seeing things from a Polish perspective - the Polish state was absorbed by its neighbours in the 18th century yet maintained its national identity.<br /><br />Poland also belongs to a wider cultural identity, that of Western Christendom. In the Middle Ages this meant far more than it does today, which is why the attempt to forge a new pan-Europeanism without reference to Christianity is doomed to failure. Rapid communications are beside the point. If an institution in (say) medieval Scotland wanted confirmation of its privileges from Rome, it would not expect an immediate response. But it would apply nonetheless and get the charter.<br /><br />When Henry VIII declared 'this realm of England is an empire', St Thomas More would not have demurred - the king's authority in his own kingdom was taken as read. But when Henry tried to claim authority over matters which did not simply pertain to his kingdom, and to set his laws over God's laws, then St Thomas could not acquiesce.<br /><br />Britain might be an island but actually comprises three nations. Add the smaller island and it makes four. France is not an island but has a national identity - Germany had a national identity long before it was unified in 1871. Yugoslavia never managed to forge a national identity because racial homogeneity could not overcome cultural divisions. <br /><br />International co-operation is one thing, but supra-national organizations have a limited use; the much-maligned League of Nations actually had a better track record than its successor the UN. And if history teaches anything, it is that supra-national states and empires always fall in the long run. It would not surprise me if China did not implode sometime this century, since the internal tensions are already strongly evident.<br /><br />European North America (the US and Canada) is the legacy of European imperialism (English, Scots, Irish, French, Spanish) so perspectives are bound to be different from those in Europe. But I see no evidence of a march towards, still less a desire for 'global government'. Apart from anything else, demographics alone would mean we would all be dictated to by hordes of Chinese. Perish the thought! John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.com