tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post2874308393722718631..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: DOGMATIZING THE PASTORAL APPROACH TO THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL AND DOGMATIZING EVEN THE "THINKING OUT LOUD" OF BISHOPS AND THEOLOGIANS THAT WERE THEN WRITTEN DOWN AND GIVING UNDUE IMPORTANCE TO THESE WRITTEN MUSING TO INTERPRET A PASTORAL COUNCILFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89079711272125533822013-02-11T06:21:46.813-05:002013-02-11T06:21:46.813-05:00A "syllabus of errors" from Vat II...LOL...A "syllabus of errors" from Vat II...LOL! It would look like an unabridged dictionary...one of those you see on stands in public libraries.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3954858444024107462013-02-10T18:41:09.706-05:002013-02-10T18:41:09.706-05:00Father McDonald, either your e-mail thinks everyth...Father McDonald, either your e-mail thinks everything you receive is spam or you are like me and hate replying to e-mails.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-45190268644528771592013-02-10T18:01:07.688-05:002013-02-10T18:01:07.688-05:00RCG, I do think the council documents and notes of...RCG, I do think the council documents and notes of bishops regarding the council opens it up to a variety of interpretations which is all the more reason why the Magisterium has to be the spokesman for what is authentic and inauthentic about how it is interpreted and implemented. Pope Benedict has begun the process, it will continue for the next several decades.<br />I do agree that a sylabus of errors needs to be developed by the Holy Father (whoever it will be) and a list of herseies in the modern sense as well as critiques of how the council was implemented.<br /><br />I don't think you'll ever have the Magisterium disowning an ecumenical Council--it ain't going to happen and it won't for it would call every other council into question too, like the Orthodox have done with every Council since the Great Schism.<br /><br />The SSPX trying to put forward their ideologies as the most authentic and faithful to Tradition and to God is a bit to Protestant to me. <br /><br />It's the Magisterium stupid!<br />Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56492500439793867222013-02-10T14:50:20.507-05:002013-02-10T14:50:20.507-05:00oh god i wish all this vatican two schmatiken tew ...oh god i wish all this vatican two schmatiken tew stuff would just be straightened out. it is like hearing a couple fight.ytcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16524109482429246472013-02-10T12:39:56.837-05:002013-02-10T12:39:56.837-05:00There is much discussion on the internet, especial...There is much discussion on the internet, especially on the website of the ever-intrepid Fr. Zuhlsdorf, that continues to warn the SSPX that they are out of line and had better take what's offered to them. Hopefully, reading this might make people see their side of it too. It is impossible to see how Vatican II's implementation, at very least, is not fraught with errors. Some of the documents, like Sacrosanctum Concilium, have been outright betrayed and contradicted. The good people of the SSPX could argue that they did not leave the Catholic Church, but that the Church left them. They obviously love our pope and WANT to be part of the unsuspended fold, but they cannot, in good conscience, betray what the Church has always taught to embrace what She has only recently invented. There has been no "new springtime" because the fertilizer of Vatican II is toxic. Vatican II must be purged--not necessarily eliminated, but certainly corrected and clarified. I suspect that Pope Benedict would like to do much more toward that end, but is restricted by the "aid" of some of the wolves in the curia. God's will IS going to be done, but the waiting is painful. It's looking more and more likely that the final corrections and resolutions to the problem of Vatican II will be resolved by our next pope. I only wish we didn't have to wait so long.Ann Ominousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57251369136127081352013-02-10T12:16:51.277-05:002013-02-10T12:16:51.277-05:00FrAJM, I may be misreading this article, but it se...FrAJM, I may be misreading this article, but it seems to have a very direct conflict with you position that the errors we have experienced have resulted from the misapplication of VC-II. It seems to conclude the Council itself as flawed, in error and even sin, and the document is a testament to their error. <br /><br />This is farther than I have been willing, or am competent to go, but I still believe the best that can be said about VC-II is that is is poor instruction because it allows for so much misinterpretation. The writers of these various articles and books seem to conclude this was an artifact of the Pride of the Council members. Bishop Schneider, who thought was a Cardinal, seems to go a little lighter and in your direction by hinting that a VC-II, R1 is needed. Having revised documents far less intricate and certainly less important than VC-II I think a major revision is nearly impossible without it ending in a superseding document. It also gives less time for any Smoke to delay or obscure things again.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26475415202771459802013-02-10T08:03:45.106-05:002013-02-10T08:03:45.106-05:00The time seems to have come for our Holy Father to...The time seems to have come for our Holy Father to say what went wrong. He must say that a situation of NECESSITY exists created by the various defects in the application V 2 documents over the past 50 years. Therefore, using His Petrine office he is issuing the Syllabus called for by Bishop K and others highlighting the necessary corrections.<br /><br />He might call an extraordinary Synod of Bishops and present the Syllabus to them as part of the Pope's efforts celebrating the Year of Faith.Johnnoreply@blogger.com