tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post2476241284212858172..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: POPE FRANCIS VERY CLEAR INSTRUCTION ON THE MASS AS SACRIFICE AND TRANSUBSTANTIATION, END OF STORY!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-66063561801746330142018-03-08T17:52:34.747-05:002018-03-08T17:52:34.747-05:00In the Mass, the celebrating priest at the consecr...In the Mass, the celebrating priest at the consecration acts "in persona Christi". No explicit invocation of the Holy Spirit is necessary since He is present there also. As we profess in our Creed,"We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son." While the Roman Canon came much earlier than the Filioque, it comports with what we profess to believe. The celebrant acts in the person of Christ from whom the Holy Spirit proceeds.<br /><br />Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05809499822558662728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-44566682365641904152018-03-08T09:09:54.594-05:002018-03-08T09:09:54.594-05:00Interesting too that the Fundamentalists ("Bi...Interesting too that the Fundamentalists ("Bible-believing" folks) don't take the passage about the body and blood literally, which reminds me of what an ex-fundamentlist wrote one time, that they take everything literally...except when they don't (when it runs contrary to their pre-conceived opinions). Instead for them, Holy Communion is just a memorial meal, often just observed quarterly and obviously not the focus of their weekly Sunday worship,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50562875082533558912018-03-07T17:35:32.869-05:002018-03-07T17:35:32.869-05:00The epiclesis in the Roman Canon is the 'Quam ...The epiclesis in the Roman Canon is the 'Quam oblationem'. The fact that it does not explicitly reference the Holy Ghost, as do eastern anaphoras, is evidence of its great antiquity. The 'Veni Sanctificator', like the rest of the Offertory prayers, is a comparatively recent addition.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27373291648386881842018-03-07T15:45:11.334-05:002018-03-07T15:45:11.334-05:00Where is the epiclesis, or invocation of the Holy ...Where is the epiclesis, or invocation of the Holy Spirit, in the Roman Canon? Because it is not explicit, and appears in offertory prayers in the TLM, the liturgical deformers wanted to scrap it when they scrapped the old offertory prayers, until Paul VI stepped in. I can see the folks at PT bitterly resurrecting the argument of removing or not using the Roman Canon after the Holy Father's statement. The point is that the Roman Canon is so old that it existed before the doctrine of the Trinity became dogma, so one could say it is implied. Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-9022621137213527702018-03-07T14:35:27.794-05:002018-03-07T14:35:27.794-05:00TJM -
Awesome follow-up! This had slipped my mi...TJM - <br /><br />Awesome follow-up! This had slipped my mind. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1166389207409871052018-03-07T14:09:59.890-05:002018-03-07T14:09:59.890-05:00MT,
I am still waiting for you to describe, in de...MT,<br /><br />I am still waiting for you to describe, in detail, the "radical" changes made to the Mass texts and rubrics during the pontificate of Pius XII.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53768779517184636012018-03-07T13:32:19.661-05:002018-03-07T13:32:19.661-05:00Thank you, Father McDonald, for your post.
Also f...Thank you, Father McDonald, for your post.<br /><br />Also from His Holiness Pope Francis:<br /><br />General Audience, December 13, 2017 A.D.<br /><br />"Dear Brothers and Sisters, Good morning! Resuming the series of catechesis on the Mass, today we ask ourselves: why go to Sunday Mass?"<br /><br />https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/audiences/2017/documents/papa-francesco_20171213_udienza-generale.html<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark Thomas<br /><br />Mark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1002331991244861252018-03-07T13:13:27.471-05:002018-03-07T13:13:27.471-05:00PraySniff hardest hit!PraySniff hardest hit!TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51762347458131188552018-03-07T13:01:46.821-05:002018-03-07T13:01:46.821-05:00"We must not make strange thoughts, but why?&..."We must not make strange thoughts, but why?" Do they have a five-year-old translating his sermons, or does he really speak this poorly? Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.com