tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post2241756246504100493..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: WE CAN KEEP DISGRUNTLED CATHOLICS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BY GOOD LITURGIES, THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS, THE BAD NEWS IS THAT THEY HAVE BECOME POST-CATHOLICS BECAUSE OF POST VATICAN II BABBLE AND THE CULTURE THAT OPPOSES NATURAL LAW AND SCRIPTURE AND TRADITION! SO DO WE REALLY WANT OUR LITURGIES AND PEOPLE TO BE A "WHITED SEPLULCHRE?"?"Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19542312721279388402013-06-20T10:52:21.635-04:002013-06-20T10:52:21.635-04:00In the 1970s I was at odds with the Vatican. I was...In the 1970s I was at odds with the Vatican. I was appalled by the way it treated great and holy servants of the Church such as Archbishop Lefebvre and Cardinal Mindzsenty. I found the reformed liturgy uninspiring, to say the least. I could have gone to the local Anglican church and heard better music in a medieval building. But I was intellectually convinced that the Catholic Church was the one founded by Jesus Christ, and that apostasy was out of the question. I also discovered that there were places that bucked the liturgical trend and that with a bit of effort you could find a decent Latin Mass, which kept me practising on a fairly regular basis. I knew things would get better. <br /><br />When I heard of the clerical sex abuse scandals I was as appalled as anyone; when I discovered they reached their apogee in the 1970s I was not surprised.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89724710214732830742013-06-19T17:26:21.650-04:002013-06-19T17:26:21.650-04:00"So, even if good liturgies keep bad Catholic..."So, even if good liturgies keep bad Catholics in the Church, isn't that just as bad as good liturgies celebrated by corrupt clergy?"<br /><br />Absolutely NOT! The graces conferred in the Sacrament are not incumbent upon the personal holiness of the celebrant. To assume so is a terrible mistake. The Mass is bigger than the one celebrating it and it is the right of every Catholic to have a properly celebrated Mass.<br /><br />To me, it doesn't matter if the priest is a felon or an earthly saint. If he celebrates the Mass as prescribed with no deviation from the rubrics or approved text, I can stand by it. Licety of the Mass is another question though.<br /><br />"A Catholic parish in Philadelphia surveyed lapsed Catholics to find out why they left. The results show a dissatisfaction at both the local level and with the Vatican."<br /><br />This is an invalid reason to leave the Church. The Church is larger than the leadership and if catechesis were properly taught, then the number of apostates would be smaller. We can come up with justifications and reasons and all the rest, but the bottom line is that the reason people leave the Church is purely a personal reason which is driven by subjectivism and fallen human frailty, as opposed to showing the fortitude necessary to weather the material happenings of the world and the leadership that gets caught up in being of the world as opposed to being in the world.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03009356356243871772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60739446973342266802013-06-19T09:39:16.953-04:002013-06-19T09:39:16.953-04:00My concurrent view to Gene is that it seems to con...My concurrent view to Gene is that it seems to conclude that people sense hypocrisy and are repelled by it. If we assume correctly that everyone in the Mass is a sinner, however recently absolved, then we should stick to the Truth, Natural Law, and Liturgy of the Ages while welcoming them in. People will be put off at first, but are drawn back to the beauty of the Holy Spirit and will eventually find that they are actually put off by the hideous nature of their sins. If we change to make them feel accepted as a sinner, instead of because they are a sinner, they can get that back home or with their friends. This is a form of healing and you can't get healed by diluting the medicine.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-32731974759576022013-06-19T08:37:28.706-04:002013-06-19T08:37:28.706-04:00Father, I was going to send you that picture you a...Father, I was going to send you that picture you attached to this post. I am glad you've seen it. What an amazing picture of how beautiful concelebration can look when the orientation is correct!Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-9575733266010219852013-06-19T06:41:35.878-04:002013-06-19T06:41:35.878-04:00The Catholic Church, and Christianity in general, ...The Catholic Church, and Christianity in general, is not a popularity contest. Doctrine is not decided by polls. I hate articles like the one you quote.<br />I would rather have good Liturgy by a sinful Priest. The graces of the Liturgy still obtain and the Priest's sinfulness has no effect upon the majesty of God or the Sacrifice of the Mass.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.com