tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post2132341689415332414..comments2024-03-28T18:02:12.286-04:00Comments on southern orders: IT'S OFFICIAL, BURKE OUT! I WONDER WHY?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8958613353194767222014-11-11T03:06:09.409-05:002014-11-11T03:06:09.409-05:00Gene at 6:56 a.m. on November 9, 2014:
I wouldn’t...Gene at 6:56 a.m. on November 9, 2014:<br /><br />I wouldn’t dream of calling JBS a racist, Bonnie Blue flag or no flag. He doesn’t fit the profile. =)<br /><br />In general, the “meaning” of a flag, as in the case of any symbol, including words, depends on the context; and that meaning will not necessarily be the same for the one communicating and the one receiving the communication unless, perhaps, they share and inhabit the same context. <br /><br />This lack of shared context is the source of much misunderstanding, both of intentions behind communications and of reactions to communications. However, such misunderstanding can perhaps be more benign than where the context is indeed shared and very clear and there is no misunderstanding at all, just a vicious intent behind the communication that is correctly perceived by the recipient. If we want to be charitable and give the benefit of the doubt to the one communicating, we will put the communication in the former category, unless there is incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. This suggests the wisdom of being careful in our communications. But I am not telling you anything you don’t already know.<br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8727285175808872302014-11-10T14:38:18.737-05:002014-11-10T14:38:18.737-05:00I think that to call Gene a curmudgeon is way off ...I think that to call Gene a curmudgeon is way off base. He has a good sense of humor. Undiplomatic yes gut a killjoy- never. In fact he might have a career in writing detective novels. He left me wanting more. I truly did LOL, to use one of Gene's favorite shorthand phrases. I do think that PI and Gene should bury the hatchet and reconcile. It's not good to have so much anger toward your fellow man. <br />MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-45421414744626968892014-11-10T13:24:49.268-05:002014-11-10T13:24:49.268-05:00MR,
Thanks, I already signed this morning.MR,<br /> Thanks, I already signed this morning.Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20136462492644038352014-11-10T11:22:40.378-05:002014-11-10T11:22:40.378-05:00Anyone interested, please sign this online petitio...Anyone interested, please sign this online petition thanking Card Burke for his service: <br />https://www.lifesitenews.com/petitions/thank-you-cardinal-burke-for-your-vatican-serviceMRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49131166516886111182014-11-10T11:16:14.615-05:002014-11-10T11:16:14.615-05:00rcg - I don't agree that what Gene says contai...rcg - I don't agree that what Gene says contains a lot of truth. It contains a lot of whining, racism, and anger, but little truth.<br /><br />With that as the milieu from which Gene's pronouncements come, I don't see much, if any, reason to read him as anything more than a vulgar curmudgeon. <br /><br />Complacency is not a uniquely Church problem. In the last election, only 31.4% of eligible voters in Georgia went to the polls. People who are reasonably comfortable, religiously or politically/materially, don't concern themselves with voting, I think.<br /><br />I am concerned about the materialism/consumerism/individualism that is causing our societal problems, but I'm not so short-sighted as to think that we can solve complex, long-term problems with simplistic solutions. These are Gene's stock-in-trade.<br /><br />We don't need anyone shouting warnings - we are aware of the challenges we face. We need workable solutions.Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-47584946354483564312014-11-10T08:18:58.155-05:002014-11-10T08:18:58.155-05:00Pater Ignotus,
I have read accounts of priests in...Pater Ignotus,<br /><br />I have read accounts of priests in France declining to explain these teachings at that time, just as I've read accounts of USA bishops in the 1850's declining to explain papal teaching against slavery. However, I read these accounts in the seminary library in the Nineties, so I'm afraid I'm unable to provide further details. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-45848864281136782342014-11-10T06:37:15.088-05:002014-11-10T06:37:15.088-05:00Jody,
If you do end up being right, then you...Jody, <br /> If you do end up being right, then you and I can look forward to, once again, being truly excited at the announcement of the name of the next pope (as we both were when the name Joseph Ratzinger was announced). We KNEW what we were getting then!Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84370055328415503062014-11-09T22:05:24.468-05:002014-11-09T22:05:24.468-05:00PI, I promise you I don't like what Gene tells...PI, I promise you I don't like what Gene tells us, it makes me cringe. But there is an aweful lot of truth in it. Maybe all true. We have a lot of complacency that is very, very dangerous when other people's souls are at risk. There has been a hegemony of disrespect for the Lord our God in our liturgy, we have been sloppy and quibbling in our faith. Rather than get upset with the decline of Faith and decay in society we have made excuses that have emptied the pews and filled the abortion clinics. Loss of hope is an offense against the Holy Spirit and while we claim to have it we can't seem to share it, so is it real hope or conceit? We are walking blythly along blind to danger and someone is shouting warnings to us. It seems that the only way to get our attention is to call us names and we are offended at the name rather our own foolishness. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-66363035412286937082014-11-09T21:30:07.022-05:002014-11-09T21:30:07.022-05:00Jody, I sure hope you are right. I am not that opt...Jody, I sure hope you are right. I am not that optimistic, though.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4498932615758007072014-11-09T21:09:04.706-05:002014-11-09T21:09:04.706-05:00Oh Please! Everybody knew Cardinal Burke was long ...Oh Please! Everybody knew Cardinal Burke was long gone before the Synod. The Spirit of Vatican II blows for a few more years with it's evil vindictiveness and then it is over. Don't be surprised if Burke is Pius XIII. Jody Petermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18962971729200663472014-11-09T21:05:31.210-05:002014-11-09T21:05:31.210-05:00Dear Jay Bee ESS, Could you name the 1900 priest ...Dear Jay Bee ESS, Could you name the 1900 priest who did not give access to AAS to the oppressed workers in "his" parish, or are you proposing a fictional circumstance?Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-33833895866734632042014-11-09T18:46:41.534-05:002014-11-09T18:46:41.534-05:00Dear Pater Ignotus,
I wonder if a priest in 1900 ...Dear Pater Ignotus,<br /><br />I wonder if a priest in 1900 were to choose not to inform oppressed workers in his parish about Church teaching on organized labor and the right to strike, withholding this teaching so as not to upset abusive but wealthy donors, could this be a case of hiding the truth in pre-internet days? Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18008171328497473672014-11-09T17:42:56.403-05:002014-11-09T17:42:56.403-05:00Pin/Gene - Everyone who reads the blog knows your ...Pin/Gene - Everyone who reads the blog knows your history very well, too.Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-32675424200053818322014-11-09T17:21:55.393-05:002014-11-09T17:21:55.393-05:00You do know that, back in the day, "pater ign...You do know that, back in the day, "pater ignotus" was a designation often used in hospitals to label the crib of a bastard child. Don't you just love irony? LOL!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22122044994203450372014-11-09T17:09:01.193-05:002014-11-09T17:09:01.193-05:00Ignotus, RCG knows me and my history very well and...Ignotus, RCG knows me and my history very well and, I am sure, is now laughing at your assessment of me.<br />BTW, you are such an arrogant…well, pater ignotus…LOL! LOL!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88809751363206471492014-11-09T16:33:38.691-05:002014-11-09T16:33:38.691-05:00Pin/Gene - I have all the credibility I need, and ...Pin/Gene - I have all the credibility I need, and none of it rests on your opinions. <br /><br />JBS - The Apostolic Truth was never been hidden, even in pre-internet days. The problem with easy accessibility is that too many people think that the documents of the Church can be read, understood, and interpreted with the same simplicity as a Betty Crocker recipe. <br /><br />rcg - Pin/Gene is creating controversy where none exists or exaggerating small molehills into mountains. He is an example of those who feel "entitled," in his case, to be in charge, to have the final say, to be completely right while everyone else is completely wrong.Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3694087111803060042014-11-09T16:07:10.869-05:002014-11-09T16:07:10.869-05:00Some guy on another forum just said that Francis i...Some guy on another forum just said that Francis is the equivalent of having Joel Osteen become Pope…LOL! As extreme as that is, I had to laugh because, if that is what other Christians are saying, Francis is making the Church a laughing stock. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54115184863988408632014-11-09T12:40:59.527-05:002014-11-09T12:40:59.527-05:00FrAJM, I understand your response towards Gene bas...FrAJM, I understand your response towards Gene based on the tones of his posts, but I ee them as pretty accurate and efficient mirrors of what we are doing. It only seems rude because it does not allow us the chance to rationalise our way out of what he is saying. No I will also note that language, even English, being imperfect there is a chance Gene could be misinterpreted too far the other way. GEne and I have called each other out on this blog and in email and evn phone calls, so I don't think he is doing anything but forcing us to confront uncomfortable issues.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69902969714293454492014-11-09T11:19:11.289-05:002014-11-09T11:19:11.289-05:00That's ok, JBS, I, too, am a loyal Southerner ...That's ok, JBS, I, too, am a loyal Southerner and do not give one rat's behind whether people find the flag offensive or not. If they do, they are only revealing their ignorance and bigotry. They may go and perform certain physiological impossibilities on themselves.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-65938282835732278982014-11-09T10:36:14.369-05:002014-11-09T10:36:14.369-05:00Gene,
I am a patriotic Southerner, and have never...Gene,<br /><br />I am a patriotic Southerner, and have never denied the fact. However, I was not intending to signify such patriotism with the star and field, especially if people find it offensive, as you suggested they could. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82689278329077672042014-11-09T10:29:44.391-05:002014-11-09T10:29:44.391-05:00Jan,
While there is certainly some confusion and ...Jan,<br /><br />While there is certainly some confusion and fatigue, I suggest that things aren't so bad. For example, thanks to the internet, Catholics now have ready access to such things as the teachings of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church, and the dogmatic definitions of the ecumenical councils. The Apostolic Truth cannot be hidden. There's no-one preventing any of us from praying, fasting or giving alms, and Christ is just as effective in the sacraments today as He ever was. If you seek the salvation of your soul, then you'll find it.<br /><br />Are there troubles? Yes. Is there confusion among lost souls? Yes. Is there liturgical irreverence? Yes. But we should be joyful in the knowledge that, with our willing cooperation, Christ will triumph. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-5077011589739506982014-11-09T10:22:54.734-05:002014-11-09T10:22:54.734-05:00Father McDonald I have to agree with with what you...Father McDonald I have to agree with with what you say above:<br />"The Holy Father has more control over healing this rift in the Church not any cardinal or groups of cardinals."<br /><br />Between now and next October, everyone needs to dedicate more time to praying for him and the rest of the hierarchy of the Church. <br />Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74004150566927308712014-11-09T09:54:11.462-05:002014-11-09T09:54:11.462-05:00Now, Fr, where did I say there was anything sad ab...Now, Fr, where did I say there was anything sad about Christ or the Risen Lord's Body? Unfortunately, the worst celebrated Mass (which is most of them) brings no joy to this sinner. I attend because I must. My joy comes from knowing that through Christ's Sacrifice I am redeemed and that God uses the Church, in spite of herself and her enemies within, to effect His good and perfect will. BTW, my theology is now Augustinian-Calvinist "light" and not Presbyterian. LOL! Calvin was not as cynical about the Catholic Church as Luther was. His Institutes may be seen as a stringent dialogue with the Church rather than, as in Luther, a rant against it.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36730106625885318102014-11-09T09:48:14.811-05:002014-11-09T09:48:14.811-05:00Father, with all the bad news, parish closings, et...Father, with all the bad news, parish closings, etc, I agree that the Church is in a sad state, which is what Jean meant, I am sure, rather than that the Church is sad. There is a difference. It is only in recognising this fact that any change will occur. There is no point any longer hiding our heads in the sand. More prayer is needed.<br /><br />JanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52302498297431558382014-11-09T09:12:39.373-05:002014-11-09T09:12:39.373-05:00Gene your cynicism about the Church is just too da...Gene your cynicism about the Church is just too damn Presbyterian or Calvinistic and anything but Catholic. The Church is not a sad place it is where Jesus Christ offers the balm of his grace to us poor miserable sinners and lifts the soul of the believer unto Himself especially in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Even the worst celebrated valid Mass does this and thus brings joy to the sinner. <br /><br />Get off the negativity about the Church. It is the Body of Christ whose Head is the Lord. The Risen Lord's Body! There is nothing sad about our Lord and it is sacrileges to say so.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.com