tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post2113664427386479681..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: A BLAST FROM THE PAST; A TIME WARP FROM THE 1980'S AND OH TO BE YOUNG AGAIN!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57526124472022158892011-11-27T14:35:01.819-05:002011-11-27T14:35:01.819-05:00Father,
Another point is how quickly the supposed...Father,<br /><br />Another point is how quickly the supposedly "new" and "modern" 1958 design was considered to be old fashioned and traditional. Those churches built in the 1950s and early 60's often had many traditional elements kept in them, such as altar rails, that the new "modern" deemed obsolete and behind the times. <br /><br />My parish church, St. Philomena's in Franklinville built in 1964 was never renovated and thus is a perfect testament to "tradtional" modern. It was designed for mass ad populum, with the tabernacle between the priest and the congregation. The only change made was to move the tabernacle to the back wall, from which it was never removed. But the ultra modern crucifix's. altar rails (filled with designs from the early church), candlesticks, statues and baptismal fonts, made of welded steel rods have not changed in 45 years. Because the church was designed by a renowned sculptor, who created in his studio all of the above items, the Church is preserved unchanged. <br /><br />James Ignatius McAuley<br />James IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63202242918102611032011-11-25T17:51:08.488-05:002011-11-25T17:51:08.488-05:00Henry, have you visited the Byzantine Catholic Mas...Henry, have you visited the Byzantine Catholic Mass? I have more than passing curiosity, as I understand that they are in full communion, and there looms the opportunity of one of their churches at less than half the distance of our one and only Latin parish.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858195676825602917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81038042090498384012011-11-25T15:34:03.172-05:002011-11-25T15:34:03.172-05:00What this shows is that we can't rest on the l...What this shows is that we can't rest on the laurels of others, and if we are to see from the shoulders of giants, we must climb up them ourselves. <br /><br />so, Frajm, you are set to be the prophet for this prophet age. This is the view from Nebo?<br /><br /><br />rcgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-65475963773613025712011-11-25T14:31:46.530-05:002011-11-25T14:31:46.530-05:00I really like this post. It reveals just how catc...I really like this post. It reveals just how catchy the new thinking was at the time. <br />It seems to me the key words here are liturgy and theology. When the goal was to promote lay participation in the Western liturgy, everything was on track. But when everyone started talking about fundamental changes in Eucharistic theology, this development derailed the Western liturgy.<br />Pope John Paul II did much to repair the rails of Catholic theology, so now Pope Benedict is working to set the train back on the track. The liturgy must always advance, but it must also stay on a sturdy track.Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-79505080061217822082011-11-25T13:23:59.164-05:002011-11-25T13:23:59.164-05:00That's one of the things I like about Pray Tel...That's one of the things I like about Pray Tell, I get so nostalgic for my seminary days of the 1970's reading all the comments there! It is like a time warp to me that brings great comfort in a perverse sort of way. :)Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74103464039989534882011-11-25T13:22:29.322-05:002011-11-25T13:22:29.322-05:001980? I thought I read this article on Pray Tell ...1980? I thought I read this article on Pray Tell in 2011?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-32908829535896947582011-11-25T12:21:23.527-05:002011-11-25T12:21:23.527-05:00Marc,
Yes, in addition to the EF and the OF in b...Marc, <br /><br />Yes, in addition to the EF and the OF in both English and Spanish, Holy Ghost Church also has a Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgy (actually, in the old church, across a parking lot from the "new" 1925 church). Just as our holy father church advocates--"reconciliation at the heart of the Church, the liturgy"--all these are mutually supportive, never have I heard of anything resembling discord within the parish (on liturgy or anything else).Henry Edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78026590594590826442011-11-25T10:56:02.251-05:002011-11-25T10:56:02.251-05:00Henry, I was blessed to be able to go to Holy Ghos...Henry, I was blessed to be able to go to Holy Ghost in Knoxville in August while on vacation. I made the 45 minute drive to go to the TLM there. It is a beautiful Church with (what appears from all outward appearances to be) a very devoted priest saying the TLM. (I noted very long lines for the Confessional before Mass, as well)<br /><br />I really liked how the table altar was simply unused for the TLM and main altar used. It appeared a bit more difficult logistically, but was quite meaningful. I was also quite impressed by the altar servers. Just a beautiful Mass there. <br /><br />There is also an Eastern Rite attached to that Church, isn't there?Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88833961998380117522011-11-25T10:45:01.317-05:002011-11-25T10:45:01.317-05:00Henry,
I'm sure you are right, but I have also...Henry,<br />I'm sure you are right, but I have also noticed that when people come to the EF, they are more reverent, well dressed for it, and quiet. That was true at St. John Neumann in Farragut, before the new church was built, even though the old was a quite modern and un-churchlike structure.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858195676825602917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-91669579049519990402011-11-25T10:42:17.029-05:002011-11-25T10:42:17.029-05:00Thank you for posting this. It helps those of us ...Thank you for posting this. It helps those of us who were not yet born to understand the fervor with which the destruction of the Church was carried out and that people really believed in that destruction as necessary progress. Just look at how many times you used the word "new" (or some form of that word) in your article. <br /><br />I am glad you have repented of this view, Father, and are now advocating continuity with the pre-Concilliar Church! I pray that more bishops (who no doubt shared your past views and taught them) will see the light and advocate a turn away from the destruction this has and continues to cause. Thank God our Holy Father understands!<br /><br />MarcMarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-32206836303695486222011-11-25T10:36:49.425-05:002011-11-25T10:36:49.425-05:00Bill,
Holy Ghost Church in Knoxville has never be...Bill,<br /><br />Holy Ghost Church in Knoxville has never been renovated, much less wreckovated. Perhaps there's a correlation between the facts that it still looks like a Catholic Church, that both EF and OF here have the atmosphere of a Catholic Mass, and the fact that I've never seen anyone there in T-shirt or shorts. Maybe the principle is that, if it looks and feels like a Catholic church, then the people there are more likely to look and worship like Catholics. Think about it . . . St. Joseph's in Macon, St. Mary's in Greenville . . . . .Henry Edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6749813249506942652011-11-25T10:09:53.737-05:002011-11-25T10:09:53.737-05:00The renovated churches from that time, and the new...The renovated churches from that time, and the new ones built to that manner of thinking, seem about as inviting as a monastery cell. So it has seemed to me that instead of the re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice, we sacrifice all sense of reverence or continuity.<br /><br />I remember in the late 1960s being taken to a folk Mass, and being appalled that the alter in use was unfinished plywood.<br /><br />Attending Mass being an act of will, I cannot bring myself to appear there in T-shirt and shorts, as many do. Equally, a church which is so bare seems to me a thoughtless act, rather than a worshipful one.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858195676825602917noreply@blogger.com