tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1949682748914519855..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: WHILE THE WORLD IS FIXATED ON THE TRUMP EARTHQUAKE, A BOLT OF LIGHTENING IS HITTING SAINT PETER!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49743973619459866522016-11-19T22:29:35.446-05:002016-11-19T22:29:35.446-05:00Jan, I certainly hope Francis will see reason and ...Jan, I certainly hope Francis will see reason and accept the admonition. I don't understand Mark Thomas' papalotry, particularly in light of Francis' arrogance and lack of mercy and charity towards faithful Catholics. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74091092971802329592016-11-19T08:47:53.399-05:002016-11-19T08:47:53.399-05:00TJM, the reason Pope Francis hasn't responded ...TJM, the reason Pope Francis hasn't responded is because if he does not uphold Catholic teaching then he is likely to be declared a heretic and lose his papal office. This is what is behind the letter and he knows it. That is why he has skirted around the whole issue - neither confirming nor denying. I believe he will be declared a heretic. The liberals will branch off with him at their head. It's quite possible that Benedict will return to head the smaller Church he spoke of or maybe there will be a papal election held among the remaining faithful Princes of the Church - the seat of the Church for a time may not be Rome as has occurred in the past. <br /><br />Mark Thomas has admitted that he will continue to follow Francis like a lemming even if he is declared a heretic and loses his office. Good luck to you, Mark, because you will no longer be in the Catholic Church and that will be down to your pride because you will not admit to being wrong ... <br /><br />JanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80699006629115433012016-11-18T14:51:40.843-05:002016-11-18T14:51:40.843-05:00Jan, seeking a clarification does not mean that AL...Jan, seeking a clarification does not mean that AL is unorthodox. The seeking of clarifications have long been part of the process within the Church.<br /><br />Why hasn't His Holiness Pope Francis responded to the dubia? Has Pope Francis answered that question publicly? If not, then I am not the person to ask.<br /><br />How could I be caught on the wrong side of a schism? Should a schism occur during his Pontificate, I will remain in communion with Pope Francis. I pray that God always leads me to remain in communion with the Bishop of Rome.<br /><br />Jan, as long as I remain in communion with the vicar of Christ, please explain as to how I could be on the wrong side of the schism?<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-79742096581366241162016-11-18T14:24:10.225-05:002016-11-18T14:24:10.225-05:00Jan,
The reason Pope Francis won't respond is...Jan,<br /><br />The reason Pope Francis won't respond is two-fold: 1) he lacks the intellectual heft; and 2) he is a liberal and "being a liberal, means never having to say you're sorry."TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68718098305249744942016-11-18T05:22:39.611-05:002016-11-18T05:22:39.611-05:00Mark Thomas, if AL is orthodox why hasn't Fran...Mark Thomas, if AL is orthodox why hasn't Francis responded to the letter from the cardinals? If AL was orthodox as you contend then there would be no need for a letter seeking clarification to be written.<br /><br />It seems to me Mark Thomas that you are about to be caught on the wrong side of a schism. While the rest of us have said for a long time that "The emperor has no clothes", some people like yourself seek to perpetuate an illusion ...<br /><br />JanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74254144692152778572016-11-17T14:02:54.274-05:002016-11-17T14:02:54.274-05:00Jan said..."I know which side of the schism I...Jan said..."I know which side of the schism I will be on ... I am sticking with the traditional teaching of the Church and I can't see that any faithful Catholic can do otherwise. I will just seek out those priests that do follow Church teaching."<br /><br />That is good news. Jan, that means that you will seek priests who are in communion with the Vicar of Christ, Bishop of Rome — Pope Francis. Very good.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark Thomas<br />Mark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70879172144238367622016-11-17T13:17:01.816-05:002016-11-17T13:17:01.816-05:00Jan, you need to attack orthodox bishops, rather t...Jan, you need to attack orthodox bishops, rather than yours truly, as I have reported that which one bishop after another has said in regard to Amoris Laetitia. The bishops of Poland, Costa Rica, Alberta, Cardinal Sarah, Cardinal Müller, Archbishop Chaput, Cardinal DiNardo, Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone...I could fill this space with the names of Cardinals and bishops who have pronounced AL orthodox.<br /><br />Cardinal Burke declared that Amoris Laetitia was orthodox. He denounced people who said otherwise. On April 11, 2016 A.D., Cardinal Burke insisted that Amoris Laetitia was in line with Church teaching. He added the following:<br /><br />Cardinal Burke: "The secular media and even some Catholic media are describing the recently issued post-synodal apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia, “Love in the Family,” as a revolution in the Church, as a radical departure from the teaching and practice of the Church, up to now, regarding marriage and the family.<br /><br />"Such a view of the document is both a source of wonder and confusion to the faithful and potentially a source of scandal, not only for the faithful but for others of goodwill who look to Christ and his Church to teach and reflect in practice the truth regarding marriage and its fruit, family life, the first cell of the life of the Church and of every society."<br /><br />Cardinal Burke has been all over the board in regard to Amoris Laetitia.<br /><br />================================================<br /><br />-- AL is orthodox.<br /><br />-- AL leads people into grave errors.<br /><br />================================================<br /><br />-- People who challenge AL spread confusion and are a source of scandal within and without the Church.<br /><br />-- People who challenge AL perform a holy service to the Church.<br /><br />=================================================<br /><br />-- People who challenge AL interfere with Pope Francis in regard to the "preservation and growth of faith and morals and in the observance and strengthening of ecclesiastical discipline and to consider questions pertaining to the activity of the Church in the world."<br /><br />-- People who challenge AL actually do Pope Francis a favor...even to the dire point of setting Pope Francis straight via a "formal act of correction." <br /><br />=================================================<br /><br />So...Cardinal Burke, what are we to believe? Is AL orthodox as you insisted? Do people who challenge AL sow confusion and scandal as you claimed?<br /><br />I stand with His Holiness Pope Francis. I have confidence in his orthodoxy as the Holy People of God affirm Pope Francis' orthodox via their commemoration of him during the Divine Liturgy. That constitutes holy and powerful testimony.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark Thomas<br />Mark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20116974204602963212016-11-17T07:58:25.569-05:002016-11-17T07:58:25.569-05:00My dream for the modern Church: Burke, Schneider...My dream for the modern Church: Burke, Schneider, or Ranjith is one day elected pope and takes the name of Pius XIII. Said Pius XIII abrogates the Novus Ordo and re-establishes the 1962 Missal as the "ordinary" form of Mass but allows the current expanded lectionary along with the 1962 lectionary in a 4 year cycle. Approved vernacular translations of said lectionary and the changing prayers are allowed as the only options in an otherwise (once-again) standardized liturgy (with all of its rules) for the Roman Rite. . .Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53233746023909338162016-11-17T06:04:49.038-05:002016-11-17T06:04:49.038-05:00I know which side of the schism I will be on ... I...I know which side of the schism I will be on ... I am sticking with the traditional teaching of the Church and I can't see that any faithful Catholic can do otherwise. I will just seek out those priests that do follow Church teaching.<br /><br />This statement by Cardinal Burke and the other three clearly shows that there is no such thing as a pastoral take on the teachings of the Church. It is all or nothing. "Remaining in the Truth of Christ" says it all.<br /><br />How says Mark Thomas now who has blithely continued on that AL was orthodox and did not break with Church teaching? Mark Thomas can hardly call these four cardinals traditionalists either.<br /><br />JanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87335964649756779312016-11-16T12:55:28.981-05:002016-11-16T12:55:28.981-05:00TJM,
Surely he should wake up and smell the mate....TJM,<br /><br />Surely he should wake up and smell the mate. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74755262830992237052016-11-16T10:24:56.372-05:002016-11-16T10:24:56.372-05:00I do not think a schism is possible from the right...I do not think a schism is possible from the right, mainly because a schism from the left is already in full bloom. Unity has been broken/dangerously weakened ever since the reform of the reform was rejected by liberals, a position most recently reiterated by the Holy Father himself. If any one would like to delve into the details of this schism it has been already fully analyzed in IOTA UNUM (by Romano Amerio). Schism has been the elephant in the room for several decades now only until recently the orthodox prelates have been too polite to call a spade a spade. Even now the four cardinals only imply the scope of the problem.<br /><br />It is not to cynical to assume that the supposed reconciliation gambit with the SSPX is a Trajan horse to keep the orthodox Catholics focused on a fake gift until the term of AL fully embedded in everyday Catholic practice while the adulteration of Sacred Tradition continues unabated. <br />Anon-1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48190515025583729322016-11-16T09:47:00.994-05:002016-11-16T09:47:00.994-05:00Dialogue,
Because he is a doubleknit dinosaur, ho...Dialogue,<br /><br />Because he is a doubleknit dinosaur, hopelessly mired in the 1960s. He has no grasp of the new realities. The Novus Ordo Church is on life support. In Europe, it is almost non-existent. Young traditionalists are preserving the Faith and he should wake up and smell the coffee. I pray for him daily.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68155031993217624992016-11-16T07:35:40.698-05:002016-11-16T07:35:40.698-05:00The Holy Father's love of the poor, and his ad...The Holy Father's love of the poor, and his advocacy of simple living, probably should have been the hallmarks of a successful papacy. Such emphases would also have softened the minds and hearts of some enemies of the Church. Why, then, has he confused his papacy by adopting this militant ambiguity regarding family life, and a belligerent tone towards liturgical piety? <br /><br />A schism led by cardinals is not a realistic possibility, but perhaps some splinter groups led by priests or, God forbid, a bishop, could emerge. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46412065700338459232016-11-16T06:43:19.358-05:002016-11-16T06:43:19.358-05:00Wow wow wow! Talk about having steel ones. And of ...Wow wow wow! Talk about having steel ones. And of course I mean the spinal vertebrates! <br /><br />Finally a prelate who cares about the souls of the "sheep" enough to risk loosing everything for the sake of the Gospel. <br /><br />Francis needs to really really understand that just because he is pope does not mean he can change defined Church Teaching. It has been famously reported that Francis said "the pope can make that which is white, black and that which is black, white". Of course nothing could be further from the truth. He duty is to preserve and protect the Faith not to change it. He can't say that there is good in an objectively evil act, because it is heresy.<br /><br /> Why will Francis not answer the cardinals? If he really believes all the nonsense like fornication is really a marriage, and adulterers don't have to amend their lives and can receive communion, and Protestants can receive communion etc. why not come out plainly and say it. He is the pope. Why not be a man instead of using stealth and intrigue to cause chaos. Be a man! Say yes when you mean yes and no when you mean no! I guess most Jesuits aren't up on the art of manliness these days and that explains a lot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20292018271692388862016-11-16T06:19:09.345-05:002016-11-16T06:19:09.345-05:00We already know what's going to happen: The p...We already know what's going to happen: The pope will ignore any "formal correction" from these cardinals and, since they are but a few in number, he will count on the majority of Catholics, including the other Cardinal and bishops, to dismiss Burke and the other three as "irrelevant rigid old fogies" who want to "rob the Church of her joy in favor of enforcing mere rules" or something along those lines.<br /><br />The sad thing is, most Catholics will blindly follow the crowd. So many decades of laxity and poor teaching have left us ripe for the picking and we are under the illusion that any doctrine of the Church is passé if enough people disregard it. Just look at the way so many Catholic vote.<br /><br />With regard to this diocese, I can almost guarantee that the majority of priests would simply ignore such a correction. It would take them out of their comfort zone to do otherwise.Cletus Ordonoreply@blogger.com