tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1871170844592973419..comments2024-03-28T16:23:19.433-04:00Comments on southern orders: OF COURSE I AGREE WITH FATHER LONGENECKER'S ASSESSMENT THAT EITHER WAY OF FACING FOR THE CELEBRATION OF THE MASS IS CORRECT; THE QUESTION IN EITHER WAY IS MAINTAINING REVERENCE, WONDER AND AWE. WHICH WAY IS BEST FOR THAT REMAINS AN ISSUE.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23123583059800265442016-07-24T09:03:45.970-04:002016-07-24T09:03:45.970-04:00Anonymous 7:38 PM, our Pope tells us that we canno...Anonymous 7:38 PM, our Pope tells us that we cannot support abortion. Are you going to vote for someone who supports abortion and upholds Planned Parenthood who sells the body parts of babies that are alive when their organs are harvested?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70796004740509920032016-07-24T08:53:16.815-04:002016-07-24T08:53:16.815-04:00Anonymous 8.18 pm, said "sounds like somethin...Anonymous 8.18 pm, said "sounds like something a first grader would say", sorry, but I don't see that is a very mature comment ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81102398364343533272016-07-24T08:50:20.979-04:002016-07-24T08:50:20.979-04:00July 15, 2016, Baptist Sarah, you did well with yo...July 15, 2016, Baptist Sarah, you did well with your game, you actually proved that there are a few orthodox Catholics who post on this site, as you say: Marc, Gene, TJM, myself and a few others. I don't think you need go to confession over a harmless game and I am sure that you have done some good in that there will be other orthodox Catholics who read this site, who may not comment, but who will be shored up in the sure and certain knowledge that they are not alone in upholding the truth of what the Church teaches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15140421278590453312016-07-17T14:46:30.467-04:002016-07-17T14:46:30.467-04:00Anon About Books: reading the Bible without proper...Anon About Books: reading the Bible without proper guidance can be problematic. The same can be said for many books authored by saints whereas weel written books about saints can be very helpful. Ypu will need to join a group led by someone knowledgeble in the texts to get the full benefit and avoid possible error. Since you are obviously prepared to invest in books I recommend that you acquire two daily missals to accompany your catechism volumes. One missal for the EF (1962) and one for the NO (third translation). I highly recommend the Baronious Press and the Midwest Theological Forum (I am assuming you are in the USA). These have excellent discussions on the Mass as well as primers in Christian and Catholic thought and methods. The Daily prayers are helpful, of course, as are the various disuccions of the seasons, etc. They will set you back about $120 together but, if you are still conscious, are worth twice that.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-92228689476654115162016-07-17T10:53:36.164-04:002016-07-17T10:53:36.164-04:00Anonymous @ 8:18...out of the mouths of babes...Anonymous @ 8:18...out of the mouths of babes...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-38075354132871847662016-07-17T10:00:22.421-04:002016-07-17T10:00:22.421-04:00The Kennedy family,including Senator Oldsmobile,sh...The Kennedy family,including Senator Oldsmobile,should have been excommunicated decades ago. They're apostates. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22091191235917010852016-07-17T03:04:41.769-04:002016-07-17T03:04:41.769-04:00Anon,
Have you ever read the Didache? It was wri...Anon, <br /><br />Have you ever read the Didache? It was written around 90 AD and was used like a Catechism at that time to teach those who were in the process of becoming a Christian. It is not very long and is free on-line.<br /><br />I was going to mention The Imitation of Christ but you are already reading it!Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89241612716069678692016-07-16T20:46:51.127-04:002016-07-16T20:46:51.127-04:00Gerbert,
I've been commenting here for like ...Gerbert, <br /><br />I've been commenting here for like four years. I think I know what it's about. <br /><br />I haven't put anyone down, but I did suggest that there's a discrepancy in belonging to a two thousand year old religion and commenting on someone else being stuck in the past.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00554830859411216515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23295670262455301992016-07-16T20:33:51.478-04:002016-07-16T20:33:51.478-04:00Anonymous, the Baltimore Catechism is written much...Anonymous, the Baltimore Catechism is written much more simply. Its simple questions and answers. <br /><br />Imitation of Christ is a good one. After that one, read The Story of a Soul by St. Therese. I think the only book she carried around was the Imitation, so she elaborates on it regularly. Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13964332037079967512016-07-16T20:18:01.344-04:002016-07-16T20:18:01.344-04:00Gene you are like a naughty child. "Chris Mat...Gene you are like a naughty child. "Chris Matthews is a sissy" sounds like something a first grader would say. <br />You need to write 100 times "I will not insult people"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22774670804447569862016-07-16T19:47:21.511-04:002016-07-16T19:47:21.511-04:00Chris Matthews is a sissy.Chris Matthews is a sissy.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-92043468424486154142016-07-16T19:45:07.038-04:002016-07-16T19:45:07.038-04:00Marc How is the Baltimore Catechism different from...Marc How is the Baltimore Catechism different from the one that I have? <br />Thank you for all of these suggestions. We are currently discussing "The Imitation Of Christ"<br />A very wonderful book. Thank You<br />Tevye: Would your book suggestions be good reading for a book club?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51913264988446579942016-07-16T19:38:45.334-04:002016-07-16T19:38:45.334-04:00Our Pope tells us to build bridges and not walls.
...Our Pope tells us to build bridges and not walls.<br />Are you going to vote for a person who will build walls?<br />The pope stated that building walls is not a Christian thing to do.<br />Honestly how do you choose between these two candidates?<br />To not vote is not the answer. The Catholic Voice must be heard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78877712362874782562016-07-16T19:23:34.779-04:002016-07-16T19:23:34.779-04:00Nin....Story of O....Tropic of Cancer....not compl...Nin....Story of O....Tropic of Cancer....not complicated...Tevyenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-40055240085547823502016-07-16T18:40:50.673-04:002016-07-16T18:40:50.673-04:00Anonymous, read The Baltimore Catechism. It's ...Anonymous, read The Baltimore Catechism. It's very simple to understand. With that and the Bible, you'll have the basics of the Catholic faith in terms of doctrine. <br /><br />For spirituality, get Introduction to the Devout Life by St. Francis de Sales. <br /><br />And so you can learn about our Blessed Mother, get True Devotion to Mary by St. Louis de Montfort. Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46908795651163786452016-07-16T18:23:25.789-04:002016-07-16T18:23:25.789-04:00Sen. Ted Kennedy and Caroline Kennedy and most of ...Sen. Ted Kennedy and Caroline Kennedy and most of this prominent Catholic family voted for Obama.<br />Did they all go to confession after they voted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80672409758024423302016-07-16T18:15:19.751-04:002016-07-16T18:15:19.751-04:00Wouldn't it be fun for Chris Matthews a devote...Wouldn't it be fun for Chris Matthews a devoted outspoken Catholic to read the blog?<br />I wonder if he would think that a Catholic who voted for Obama should go to confession.<br />He of coarse is not a priest but it would be interesting to see this discussed. <br />Maybe this could get on the National News. I think this would be very interesting.<br />There are many good comments here and great discussion. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22013747318608333532016-07-16T17:49:23.107-04:002016-07-16T17:49:23.107-04:00Either orientation is licit, but the common orient...Either orientation is licit, but the common orientation of clergy and congregation towards the apse has far more authority than the alternative. Once again, Fr Hunwicke hits the nail on the head in his recent comments concerning 'auctoritas' as distinct from liceity in matters concerning the liturgy.<br /><br />Paul VI might have had a personal preference for celebrating versus populum, Inter Oecumenici might have recommended that altars be freestanding so as to make this possible, the 2002 IRGM might have implied that this is the preferred orientation in the Novus Ordo (although the CDW has ruled otherwise), 99 per cent of priests in the Latin Church might celebrate facing the congregation - yet what is this when set against the 'auctoritas' of attested practice going back to Patristic times? <br /><br /><br /><br /> John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70024901238454204212016-07-16T17:36:22.990-04:002016-07-16T17:36:22.990-04:00Well, as an Eastern Catholic, I can really only sp...Well, as an Eastern Catholic, I can really only speak for myself, but for some of us, the old saying "not my monkeys, not my circus" applies, and for others one might say that the liturgical situation is a major obstacle towards unity and the liturgical situation is a disaster. <br /><br />I do not think that there is an equivalence between the two positions of Ad Orientem and Versus Populum. The turning of the altars in my opinion was the biggest damage of the un-authorized changes post Vatican II. I do actually prefer free standing altars to the ones against the wall.<br /><br />It's important to follow the rubrics, literalist that I tend to be, Ad Orientem in the situations where it doesn't say to face the people makes sense to me. <br /><br />Ad Orientem facilittates mystery, versus populum facilitates entertainment or a conversation. <br /><br />Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69550153226618311192016-07-16T16:28:52.597-04:002016-07-16T16:28:52.597-04:00Marc,
Maybe a patch will be released. Or overpric...Marc,<br /><br />Maybe a patch will be released. Or overpriced DLC.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00554830859411216515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-40778121760548046122016-07-16T16:01:26.151-04:002016-07-16T16:01:26.151-04:00What would be the top three books (Beside the Bibl...What would be the top three books (Beside the Bible) that a faithful Catholic Should read?<br />Nothing complicated because we are not priests. Something simple for everyday folk. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81214139914424255182016-07-16T15:10:49.675-04:002016-07-16T15:10:49.675-04:00Gerbert, the last Orthodox council was in 1872. So...Gerbert, the last Orthodox council was in 1872. So roughly the same amount of time has passed since their last doctrinal council as since our last doctrinal council. <br /><br />As we have seen since Vatican II, not having councils seems to be a feature and not a bug. Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54474334847650974622016-07-16T10:52:42.949-04:002016-07-16T10:52:42.949-04:00I would humbly suggest that the current Catechism,...I would humbly suggest that the current Catechism, while not unorthodox, was compiled with an agenda where liturgy is concerned. It puts the "Lord's Supper" aspect of the Mass first, the Holy Sacrifice aspect second, while this should really be inverted based on the more traditional way of thinking. And Fr. Longenecker is writing his "both camps are right" piece using the questionable order of the new Catechism. I'm not surprised he comes to the conclusion he does in that case - but I don't think he's right.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73712416492669411212016-07-16T09:43:38.250-04:002016-07-16T09:43:38.250-04:00TJM I wish the cause of the pews being empty was j...TJM I wish the cause of the pews being empty was just the Novus ordo, but it goes much deeper than that. If our individual faith is that weak then we have a huge problem! Since we have been discussing Adam and Eve, my thoughts are that each one of us play out our role as Adam and Eve, we know that paradise is there and awaits us all we have to do is be obedient to God, but we keep taking bites out of that apple everyday. It is the rejection of God by our free will that has emptied the pews. Our faith is not based on the piety of priest, bishops or Popes, or how the Liturgy is done, but in my love of God and His Son Jesus Christ, and our human family. Yes, our worship should be reverent and give proper honor to God to draw us nearer to Him. We want and need good and Godly men to serve to be our spiritual fathers to help guide us down our path and strengthen us with the Sacraments, but in the end it is up to us.<br /><br />Flavious: My comment was not meant to disparage the Orthodox, I have a great respect for our Orthodox brothers and sisters, but because of the social and economic progress in the east, the orthodox church has not dealt with the issues of the modern society and culture. Until this month the last council for the Orthodox Church was 1200 years ago. This current council while important was not attended by all the Churches and did not really address the issues society is dealing with today. I do welcome the day that unity is achieved, when the Church can breath with both lungs as St. Pope John Paul II put it. I up hold the religion of a Divine person, both fully human and fully divine, the Son of the Most High God, not the the religion of dead men. If you do not believe and accept that, fine that is your decision, I would ask that you not come here and put down those who do. This is a Catholic blog we discuss issues that concern us and the Church, in an effort to learn and grow in faith. Respect that is all I can ask.Gerbert d' Aurillachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12764148687974157338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29240987688445717242016-07-16T09:13:58.705-04:002016-07-16T09:13:58.705-04:00It seems reasonable that we start where we are wit...It seems reasonable that we start where we are with what we have. But the object of the Mass is change and if we insist on distracting oursleves in this process with what we already are then we may be missing the point entirely. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.com