tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1417857426644609801..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: SO WHERE WILL WE BE IN A YEAR'S TIME WITH POPE FRANCIS?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52046848578184624562013-03-20T16:13:16.107-04:002013-03-20T16:13:16.107-04:00Perhaps I should have said that this particular ov...Perhaps I should have said that this particular oversight of this Pope is disappointing. I do not consider concern over major issues of morals and doctrine to be "nitpicking." Neither is it done in a secular vein...last time I checked these issues were doctrinal ones. Still, I support this Pope and the Papacy; that doesn't mean I can't bitch about it sometimes...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-77489996000729995942013-03-20T15:18:21.057-04:002013-03-20T15:18:21.057-04:00I still contend that those who are so negative abo...I still contend that those who are so negative about Pope Francis, even if they rail against me as an ultra montanist, are missing so much of our Catholic heritage and respect for the Holy Father as well as love.<br />They are relating to the Holy Father as they relate to a politician and nit picking at everything in this secular vein.<br />It is the progressive "spirit of Vatican II" at work in traditionalist who are cut from the same cloth!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78001639218887851702013-03-20T15:13:39.242-04:002013-03-20T15:13:39.242-04:00It is very nice to see some people are perfectly a...It is very nice to see some people are perfectly aligned with the will of the Holy Spirit that they can say "Already, this Pope is a disappointment." Yes, Pelosi and Biden, very grave oversight indeed, but to judge after a week that this Pope is a disappointment seems a bit rash. <br /><br />With this criteria one would imagine JPII was also a disappointing Pope as well, but turns out he didn't do too bad, considering he is a Blessed, but then if they don't believe he is a Blessed then I guess that would just make them schismatics or maybe these non believers consider themselves the true Church. <br /><br />This judgment seems a little rash, considering we cannot necessarily judge the sinfulness of a particular drunk man, but only universally that it is a mortal sin. Or maybe the definition of disappointment is not clearly defined by these kind of people.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25410486862602552862013-03-20T14:40:02.012-04:002013-03-20T14:40:02.012-04:00Gene,
I think a message has been sent. Biden and ...Gene,<br /><br />I think a message has been sent. Biden and Pelosi most likely wanted a photo-opp with the new Pope giving them communion. They didn't get it.Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42729312459628410872013-03-20T13:34:23.105-04:002013-03-20T13:34:23.105-04:00Militia, Europe knows who Biden is. I am sure othe...Militia, Europe knows who Biden is. I am sure others there know of the controversy, as well. Besides, it is the business of those in the Vatican to know these things. That is no excuse. There are also plenty of Bishops and Priests in this country who have allowed them to receive, as well.<br />Biden and Pelosi are doing a deliberate, self-conscious "in your face" to the Church. Their message is, "look at us, we receive and we believe in abortion, gay marriage, and anything between two consenting mammals. Nobody really takes this stuff seriously." In an age when the Church is fighting for its life, a message must be sent. It ain't happening.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37891724496250798942013-03-20T12:56:59.747-04:002013-03-20T12:56:59.747-04:00Gene, how do you know the deacons who distributed ...Gene, how do you know the deacons who distributed Holy Communion knew about Pelosi and Biden's views? In Europe, it would seem that people would be far less likely to know whether or not a given American politician were pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage. I mean, we here in the States don't know nearly as much about any given European politician as those in said politician's country would know!Militia Immaculatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15021417068774633653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-5499134469543839312013-03-20T12:49:30.393-04:002013-03-20T12:49:30.393-04:00And maybe those "high-church embellishments&q...And maybe those "high-church embellishments" remind all of us that there is indeed something and Someone higher than we are as individuals, to say nothing of higher than "the will of the People."WSquarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39353792360840941172013-03-20T12:48:02.935-04:002013-03-20T12:48:02.935-04:00Some of the omissions in the inaugural Mass were p...Some of the omissions in the inaugural Mass were puzzling. Especially the complete omission of the introit chant and psalm--the <i>Justus ut palma florebit</i> antiphon (Ps. 91:13-14) preceding and following each of the 4 verses 2, 3, 5, 6 of Psalm 91, which occupied the entirety of page 31 of the printed booklet posted in advance at<br /><br />http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/libretti/2013/20130319_inizio-ministero-petrino.pdf<br /><br />You can check this by starting at about the 59-minute mark in the video posted at <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWst-jrcjpw<br /><br />After the obedience--during which the <i>Tu es Petrus</i> (page 27) was omitted except for its first 2 lines--Pope Francis went to the altar and immediately began the confiteor.<br /><br />Of course, this would occasion little surprise in you local parish church, but every recent papal Mass has begun with a full introit chant. Brevity?Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41894147514707559592013-03-20T11:50:38.299-04:002013-03-20T11:50:38.299-04:00I saw the Inauguration Mass of Pope Francis last n...I saw the Inauguration Mass of Pope Francis last night.<br /><br />It was simple and beautiful. Again, I wish to reiterate that more ornate does not necessarily make something less humble, just as humble does not make hokey and downright ugly permissible. Again, the EWTN Franciscans are a good visual guide.<br /><br />Furthermore, "closer to the people" is one thing, but unlike what a lot of people seem to think, "closer to the people" and "meeting them where they are" does not mean reflecting and confirming the people's desires. After all, one should ask what those desires are formed by-- again, from that last interview, I thought then-Cardinal Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, was refreshingly blunt about what he thinks forms a lot of people's desires and consciences (so there goes the liberals' "sensus fidei" argument, too). <br /><br />Many of those who like harping on about how the Church should sell all of its cultural treasures and give the money to the poor can start with themselves: for one example among many, until you start questioning why your ideal family of four nonetheless consumes more than, and thus has a larger carbon footprint than, a good many families of nine, why should anyone take you seriously when you talk about "humility," "simplicity" in the Church and "concern for the poor"? So just zip it, already.<br /><br />And frankly, why is it that it usually seems to be those who live comfortably who make every excuse for being careless and even scruffy and ugly when it comes to anything Church related-- be it the liturgy, Church teaching, and theology? I think Mark Shea referred to stripped-down churches and big houses. Is it just me, or do I detect a subtle or not-so-subtle imposition of an unfair burden here? Fr. John Trigilio has pointed out that he's celebrated Mass at poor parishes, but the poor have always dressed well and modestly for Mass-- their clothes may be second-hand, and not fancy, but they are still nice and good clothes. So what makes any of these folks who espouse the above attitudes think that they can speak for the poor when the poor do what they themselves can't be bothered to do?<br /><br />On a related note, I was thinking about the classic cruciform church building, not just in terms of the worship of the Temple, but also the Eucharist and how it really does speak to proclaiming Christ Crucified: the Body of Christ is formed by the Eucharist, and within the auspices of a cross-shaped church, being conformed to Christ Crucified through the Sacraments becomes much clearer. I'm not sure one gets this through any "theater in the round."<br /><br />Going back to the papal Mass: okay, so one may not be thrilled to bits or over the moon about the chasubles worn by all the cardinals as much as one was with some of the ones they wore while Benedict XVI was still Roman Pontiff. But those chasubles and the way this papal Mass was celebrated were still dignified, and a very far cry from, say, the Mass celebrated at the Eucharistic Congress in Ireland either last year or a couple of years ago. <br /><br />That Mass doesn't even compare. Those chasubles (and miters) had very little that was dignified about them, and neither did the music (Sorry, but no multilingual "Credo, Amen!" will ever hold a candle to a simply chanted and confident, "Credo in Unum Deum!").WSquarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82553906143597958602013-03-20T11:50:04.221-04:002013-03-20T11:50:04.221-04:00Fr. Lombardi said that the Master of Celebrations ...Fr. Lombardi said that the Master of Celebrations expects that the ceremony will not last much more than two hours and, always with the intention of simplification and not making the rite overly long, there will not be an Offertory procession. The Eucharistic gifts will be brought to the altar by the ministers who prepare the altar. Also, the Pope will not distribute Communion, which will be done by the deacons on the “Sagrato” and, in the various areas of the piazza, by priests.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10729869900370338602013-03-20T11:35:31.733-04:002013-03-20T11:35:31.733-04:00Both Pelosi and Biden received Holy Communion at t...Both Pelosi and Biden received Holy Communion at the installation Mass. This is unconscionable, hypocritical, and inexcusable on the part of the Vatican. I am not very hopeful about this Pope's future actions. The Church is, again, moving into a Babylonian Captivity. This sends a message that even the Vatican winks at politicians who openly and defiantly espouse views on homosexuality, abortion, and marriage that are diametrically opposed to the doctrinal and dogmatic beliefs of the Church. Already, this Pope is a disappointment. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61751374096679464662013-03-20T11:28:28.556-04:002013-03-20T11:28:28.556-04:00Ignotus, do you think puppets and guitars work bet...Ignotus, do you think puppets and guitars work better...LOL!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49622313309110209602013-03-20T10:51:26.698-04:002013-03-20T10:51:26.698-04:00Yes, over ones that are banal and sloppy and done ...Yes, over ones that are banal and sloppy and done with little care and with any sense of the space in which it takes place, yes, yes, and yes yet again. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87583836042055296342013-03-20T10:15:37.519-04:002013-03-20T10:15:37.519-04:00Good Father - Do you contend that "high churc...Good Father - Do you contend that "high church embellishments" lead to increased numbers in the pews?Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53273984792793816602013-03-20T06:44:10.047-04:002013-03-20T06:44:10.047-04:00Father,
I find your comments regarding Bish...Father,<br /> I find your comments regarding Bishop Emeritus Lessard and the EF Mass (back in indult days) very interesting. I had always viewed him as a liturgical "progressive" or liberal, based on my limited personal experiences of him. Based on that, I would've thought he would have opposed any reintroduction of the Tridentine form. I'm glad to know that he actually supported having the EF in Savannah back in Ecclesia Dei days.Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.com