tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1322881207883123290..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: LITURGICAL ABUSE ADDRESSED BY THE COUNCIL OF TRENT: IT SEEMS THAT THE OLD ABUSES THAT TRENT ADDRESSED ARE STILL PRESENT AND SOMETIMES IN A GREATER WAY TODAY!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23268283226591935202017-08-17T09:13:05.041-04:002017-08-17T09:13:05.041-04:00The link is no longer working. Does anyone here ha...The link is no longer working. Does anyone here have the complete article written by Fr. Chadwick?Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34446867297773102892016-01-19T21:30:19.408-05:002016-01-19T21:30:19.408-05:00DJR, you are correct. And, the blasphemy is more s...DJR, you are correct. And, the blasphemy is more shameful because it is so banal. Most of the OF's I attend are just that...banal. Lazy Priests, haphazard processionals, sloppy altar servers, cheap vestments and linens, trite homilies, awful music, and obligatory Communion. A Bishop who gives a hoot should spend a year going to different Churches and, after sprinkling Holy Water on his shoes, kick the butts of these lazy Priests in the fashion of a Drill Instructor. Give 'em three months to get it right or they get sent to Bugeye, Ga. or Whoshotya, Mississippi.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25588886854706509312016-01-19T15:50:36.546-05:002016-01-19T15:50:36.546-05:00The "abuses" at the time of the Reformat...The "abuses" at the time of the Reformation don't hold a candle to what we have witnessed in our era. <br /><br />The word "abuses" isn't really the proper word anyway. It should be "blasphemies" or "sacrileges," and such things occur even during papal liturgies right in the very heart of Christendom.<br /><br />"Abuses" seems like a tame word in comparison.DJRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028761850444888285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42344341626742739432016-01-19T13:01:13.541-05:002016-01-19T13:01:13.541-05:00Although this article is old hat, published five y...Although this article is old hat, published five years ago, it is interesting and not for the most obvious reasons.<br /><br />1. The Commission was appointed on 20 July 1562, met on six days between 24 July and 6 August, and the report was published on 17 September. An astonishingly short timescale by modern standards.<br /><br />2. We have no idea how widespread or frequent these abuses were.<br /><br />3. Some of the liturgical abuses the Commission mentions (multiple signings over the elements, mention of 'immaculatam hostiam' and 'calicem salutaris' in the Offertory prayers) were retained in the 1570 Missal and indeed in the most recent form of the Roman liturgy, the Ordinariate Missal. <br /><br />4. These Offertory prayers were indeed suppressed by the compilers of the Novus Ordo and the Jewish table prayers which replaced them are regarded by most liturgical scholars as a major weakness of the new Mass. However, the 1960s reformers acted contrary to the spirit of the Tridentine reform in greatly expanding the number of Prefaces. And their changes to the Ordinary, particularly as regards the options for the Eucharistic Prayer mark a distinct rupture with the Roman Rite.<br /><br />5. Quibbles about the number of candles show a somewhat puritanical and minimalist attitude common to liturgical reformers then and now. Trent pruned the liturgy too drastically.<br /><br />An unintended effect of the promulgation of the new rite by Paul VI, which he clearly intended to be normative and binding on the Latin church, has been the extent to which we have become multi-ritual. But whereas pre-Trent the rite in a particular region would remain the same, we now have a plethora of different interpretations in a limited geographical area, and different vernaculars add another complication. Had the post-V2 reform been more limited it might indeed have become normative, but the reformers had other ideas. Whereas historically the different Uses were subject to a centripetal pull towards the Roman Use, the modern idea of inculturation implied a centrifugal movement away from Rome. That this diversity was centrally directed is one of the many paradoxes of the modern era.<br /><br />On Sunday I was in Edinburgh and whereas the FSSP church is some way out from the city centre, the cathedral was opposite the hotel. I found the 10:30 Mass there was in Polish. I speak not a word of that language yet the Mass was reassuringly familiar since it was done 'straight' - and even with sermon, bidding prayers and notices lasted barely 50 minutes. Some lugubrious Polish hymns were sung, with hardly any of the congregation joining in. Functional, ex opere operato, but is this what the reformers intended? John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8440824806180010452016-01-19T10:33:54.217-05:002016-01-19T10:33:54.217-05:00There's a nice recording on YouTube of the Pre...There's a nice recording on YouTube of the Preces speciales composed by Jacobus de Kerle for use at the Council of Trent:<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEA6ZINv4YwJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13873507031809422203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68825260730014773662016-01-19T07:27:35.112-05:002016-01-19T07:27:35.112-05:00Dang! You sure this wasn't written in 2014?Dang! You sure this wasn't written in 2014?Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.com