tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1319708059809427294..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: AT THE VATICAN AND ON THE RIGHT DATE, THE SOLEMNITY OF THE EPIPHANY IS CELEBRATED WITH THE TRADTIONAL LATIN MASS BY POPE FRANCIS AND INCLUDES AFTER THE GOSPEL THE CHANTING OF THE EPIPHANY PROCLAMATION!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46343159627489068182014-01-08T16:25:08.471-05:002014-01-08T16:25:08.471-05:00Carol,
“Why is everyone tripping over the use of ...Carol,<br /><br />“Why is everyone tripping over the use of the word 'traditional' and missing the point?”<br /><br />Oh come on, Carol. With a Pope who is so “tedious, dull, monotonous, and repetitive” (like the words you quoted), what else is there to talk about? (Sarcasm alert).<br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82630999224712145392014-01-07T13:24:04.895-05:002014-01-07T13:24:04.895-05:00"We must press on towards Bethlehem, where, i..."We must press on towards Bethlehem, where, in the simplicity of a dwelling on the outskirts, beside a mother and father full of love and of faith, there shines forth the Sun from on high, the King of the universe. By the example of the Magi, with our little lights, may we seek the Light and keep the faith. May it be so."<br /><br />THIS is the most important thing we should be drawing from this article. Why is everyone tripping over the use of the word 'traditional' and missing the point?<br /><br />Bethlehem means house of bread. The sanctuary light is our Christmas Star that leads us to the Tabernacle- our House of Bread. Like the Magi, let us follow our Christmas Star, go to the Tabernacle, our Bethlehem, and adore Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. <br />Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4359030925658280402014-01-06T17:40:32.430-05:002014-01-06T17:40:32.430-05:00I kinda agree about the terminology. The revised ...I kinda agree about the terminology. The revised Roman order of Mass is clearly not the same one passed down through the ages. It is unquestionably valid, licit and pastorally valuable, but the rite itself is simply new. I do think we would all do well to employ the EF/OF designations introduced by Pope Benedict, or even just refer to the forms and translations by the year their respective missals were published: 1962, 2002, 2010, etc..<br /><br />That said, I do take Fr. McDonald's point that the OF missal, whether in Latin or in a modern language, has a place within Sacred Tradition and even within the Roman liturgical tradition. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46404408264999446082014-01-06T12:45:52.505-05:002014-01-06T12:45:52.505-05:00Time will tell and wouldn't it be great for me...Time will tell and wouldn't it be great for me to be able to change the photo at the top of my blog with a Sistine chapel one?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19337717343181797802014-01-06T12:40:14.496-05:002014-01-06T12:40:14.496-05:00Looking forward to next Sunday, the Feast of the B...Looking forward to next Sunday, the Feast of the Baptism of the Lord. Will His Holiness Francis celebrate Mass ad orientem in the Sistine Chapel as did His Holiness Benedict XVI?<br />Yes, I know that Pope Francis celebrated Mass in the Sistine Chapel facing the people at his first Mass as Pope, but so did Pope Benedict at his first papal Mass.<br />With his recent celebration of Mass ad orientem at the tomb of Blessed John Paul II, here's hoping--and also with some convincing by his MC, Monsignor Guido Marini-- that Pope Francis will do so again this coming Sunday.Father Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6152736702087566462014-01-06T11:32:00.996-05:002014-01-06T11:32:00.996-05:00Nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo in Latin. JP II ...Nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo in Latin. JP II celebrated it, as did B XVI. A lot of traditional elements are there, including the seven acolytes, one of Benedict's restorations. Notice how Pope Francis sometimes slips into the Spanish pronunciation of Latin, particularly in 'qui' where the 'u' is not sounded. JP II in his later years used sometimes to lapse into the German pronunciation used throughout central Europe. <br /><br />Are the extra choirs necessary because the congregation can't join in Mass IX? And not many of the 200,000 Italians in the square could pray the Angelus in Latin. I enjoyed the Mass (although a lot of the music was almost inaudible, particularly the Introit 'Ecce advenit'). And I wish the cameraman would resist the temptation to dwell on the pretty women in the congregation in lingering close-up. It's just too corny for words, as well as embarrassing for the victims whose wrinkles and badly-applied makeup are mercilessly exposed.<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87322910682715226862014-01-06T10:24:33.521-05:002014-01-06T10:24:33.521-05:00Plainly, this was not a Traditional Latin Mass (ca...Plainly, this was not a Traditional Latin Mass (caps). A Mass according to the rite of Paul VI can be a beautiful, indeed glorious, re-presentation of the sacrifice of the Cross. It can be offered in Latin, and in a quite traditional (lower case) manner. But if a Mass is not offered with the prayers, ritual, and ceremony of the rite of Pius V, it is frivolous use of language to call it a TLM.<br /><br />This is not to say that a particular OF Mass may be may be offered in a more holy and reverent manner than a particular OF Mass. A particular solemn OF Mass with Gregorian chant can certainly be more splendid--and perhaps more pleasing to God (who knows?)--than a particular silent EF low Mass. But words and phrases have the meaning that prevalent usage gives them. When I first encountered the ancient form of the Mass, the phrase “traditional Latin Mass” was not in use, and therefore had no usage-defined meaning whatsoever. But now the phrase TLM is used universally to refer to what Pope Benedict described juridically as the extraordinary form of the Mass. For a single person to use this same term to refer to a celebration of the ordinary form of the Mass is no less silly and meaningless than for him to use the word red to refer to the color that the rest of the human race calls purple.<br />Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88234473070782391582014-01-06T09:08:26.796-05:002014-01-06T09:08:26.796-05:00Tradition, meaning Sacred Tradition, not little &q...Tradition, meaning Sacred Tradition, not little "t" tradition regarding the Traditional Latin Mass in whatever form, new or old is the Holy Sacrifice of Christ made present in an unbloody way for those present to experience and receive as well as the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ when received worthily, Jesus, the Bridegroom and Head of His Bride the Church, continues to make us a part of Himself! What do you mean by Traditional Latin Mass, that the Ordinary Form does not make present as it concerns what is essential to the Church collectively and our own personal salvation???????Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78970130016705119542014-01-06T08:59:32.044-05:002014-01-06T08:59:32.044-05:00Sorry but stop saying this is the TLM it is the No...Sorry but stop saying this is the TLM it is the Novus Ordo in Latin!! Not even close, never will be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74407547000584057312014-01-06T08:35:36.825-05:002014-01-06T08:35:36.825-05:00Tedious, dull, monotonous, repetitive, pretty much...Tedious, dull, monotonous, repetitive, pretty much sums it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com