tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post131500051922611646..comments2024-03-28T09:14:32.869-04:00Comments on southern orders: WAS THERE NO LAY PARTICIPATION, MALE OR FEMALE, AT TODAY'S PRIESTLY ORDINATION WITH POPE FRANCIS?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89067181574912929412013-09-24T21:46:35.303-04:002013-09-24T21:46:35.303-04:00"... certainly no Extraordinary Ministers of ..."... certainly no Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion and only two lay people brought up the offerings, not a hoard of them."<br /><br />- Why ask for the presence of EMHC? Remember, it is "extraordinary". Is the said ordination requires an "extraordinary" minister? I guess not because there was a number of "ordinary" ministers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57790823293995248212013-04-22T14:46:23.975-04:002013-04-22T14:46:23.975-04:00I agree with Carol H. on this one: EMHCs probably ...I agree with Carol H. on this one: EMHCs probably do decrease vocations, because I'm sure part of the drive to be a priest is the ability to administer Our Lord in Holy Communion. If anyone can do that, and it's insisted that the presence of such a random anyone is necessary all the time, vocations won't increase. Also, Father, I must ask this question: is the lack of EMHCs a problem when you celebrate the Extraordinary Form or isn't it? If not, why is it a problem elsewhere?<br /><br />John Nolan brings up a good point also. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80430121088798122782013-04-22T14:07:39.787-04:002013-04-22T14:07:39.787-04:00"On when there are enough priests and deacons..."On when there are enough priests and deacons in the parish to cover all the stations that are needed, so no, they won't be dismissed. Pray for vocations to the priesthood and diaconate."<br /><br />to<br /><br />"I think lay participation as readers, EMHC's etc may be partially responsible for the reduction of candidates for priests and religious. Think about it, if someone receives the call, instead of giving themselves totally to God in service of the Church, they can give a small portion of themselves during Mass and do whatever they want for the rest of the week.<br /><br />If they can participate in both worlds as a lay person, where is the incentive to commit themselves 100%?"<br /><br />This. Is. Epic. It's also true. Carol, I am 100,000,000,000,000% behind you.<br /><br />On another note, I think that the "restoration" of the permanent diaconate has been another major cause in priestly decline since the end of the Council.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03009356356243871772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13147641993594948102013-04-22T12:46:14.299-04:002013-04-22T12:46:14.299-04:00I am so glad I was not the only one. When I was y...I am so glad I was not the only one. When I was young I was convinced that the Church had all the pretty girls. That is bad, I know. I still think that, I just think about it a lot differently.<br /><br />Some day I will be Cephalus. Unfortunately, not today.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14800073073866136692013-04-22T11:49:22.847-04:002013-04-22T11:49:22.847-04:00John Nolan, Shame on you! Why, I would never look ...John Nolan, Shame on you! Why, I would never look at that dish...er, girl...in any other than an attitude of aesthetic appreciation. Why, the very thought of lusting after her exci...er, shocks my sensibilities. Shame...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-33531029699156729592013-04-22T09:59:06.722-04:002013-04-22T09:59:06.722-04:00Actually, the girl at the ambo looks quite fetchin...Actually, the girl at the ambo looks quite fetching. I guarantee I won't remember a word she says, and would be unable to approach the altar rail on account of all those lustful thoughts. Do we really need a sexual element in the Mass?<br /><br />By the way, this comment is only partly tongue-in-cheek. Hair, make-up, dress; it's for a purpose, and that purpose is not liturgical.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-76060107917618396662013-04-21T21:46:45.169-04:002013-04-21T21:46:45.169-04:00I think lay participation as readers, EMHC's e...I think lay participation as readers, EMHC's etc may be partially responsible for the reduction of candidates for priests and religious. Think about it, if someone receives the call, instead of giving themselves totally to God in service of the Church, they can give a small portion of themselves during Mass and do whatever they want for the rest of the week.<br /><br />If they can participate in both worlds as a lay person, where is the incentive to commit themselves 100%?Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7055597666213001382013-04-21T17:22:59.342-04:002013-04-21T17:22:59.342-04:00I suppose if we are doing it right we continue our...I suppose if we are doing it right we continue our participation when we go forth to glorify the Lord, take care of His Stuff and His People. We can to hope to be the good stewards that bring back profit on what we are given.<br /><br />As far as participation in the Mass, I think that is what was lacking from many clergy before the Summorum Pontificum explosion. Priests were doing everything BUT leading the Mass and ensuring we were singing proper tunes, etc. Isn't it funny how much that small change had?rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-72253274575995476692013-04-21T16:35:51.407-04:002013-04-21T16:35:51.407-04:00FR, seriously, judging from my timing Communion, i...FR, seriously, judging from my timing Communion, it has rarely taken more than ten minutes when we had a full Church and only a couple of EMHC's. If people can't hang around in Church that long they may as well light the fires down below for 'em right now...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16703578931050918792013-04-21T16:33:31.489-04:002013-04-21T16:33:31.489-04:00On when there are enough priests and deacons in th...On when there are enough priests and deacons in the parish to cover all the stations that are needed, so no, they won't be dismissed. Pray for vocations to the priesthood and diaconate. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16144344216602908152013-04-21T16:27:08.512-04:002013-04-21T16:27:08.512-04:00Does this mean you are going to get rid of the ann...Does this mean you are going to get rid of the annoying herd of EMHC's at St. Jo's? How about reducing the number of women tripping around the sanctuary? Just a thought...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.com