tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1280953851292525625..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: JOHN ALLEN AND HIS TAKE ON THE CARDINALS KERFUFFLES AND SUCH AND JUST WHO IS OFF HIS "ROCKER?"Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82649643910918233232014-09-20T05:35:31.442-04:002014-09-20T05:35:31.442-04:00Any marriage that ends in divorce and then placed ...Any marriage that ends in divorce and then placed on trial in an ecclesiastical court of law in the Church can be declared null and void as a sacrament if the couple at the time of the marriage did not have the Catholic understanding of marriage, primary in this regard is its permanence, life long commitment. There are other grounds to in terms of an incapacity to make a life long commitment, deception of some kind and no desire to be faithful to one's spouse.<br /><br />I'm not calling into question the presumed sacramentality of a protestant marriage, I'm saying that for Protestants who wish to become Catholic and are in second marriages that their annulment procedure focus on the Catholic understanding of marriage and if they had it or not at the time they married their now divorced spouse.<br /><br />Catholics who enter marriage in the Church should be held to a higher standard in the annulment procedure since they should know what the Church teaches about marriage when they get married in the Catholic Church. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71576101903870084172014-09-19T19:03:20.792-04:002014-09-19T19:03:20.792-04:00How is a Protestant marriage nonsacramental?How is a Protestant marriage nonsacramental?Cameronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21104965831068549342014-09-19T16:55:33.301-04:002014-09-19T16:55:33.301-04:00For a marriage. Any marriage to be sacramental the...For a marriage. Any marriage to be sacramental the baptized couple has to accept the Catholic understanding of marriage. A Protestant couple is less likely to accept this compared to a well prepared Catholic couple. They would still need an annulment but the grounds could be expedited on the lack of Catholic understanding . Keep in mind their marriages are valid but not sacramental.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53699047323951049362014-09-19T16:45:04.003-04:002014-09-19T16:45:04.003-04:00Why should there be preferential treatment for cer...Why should there be preferential treatment for certain people for annulments? Shouldn't Protestant marriages--as putatively valid Christian, sacramental marriages--hold the same theoretical place in terms of the faith the Church has in them as marriages between two Catholics or between a Catholic and a non-Catholic Christian performed in witness of the Church?<br /><br />If Protestants wanting to become Catholic get thrown down the express line, what does that say for our faith in the ability of non-Catholic Christians to marry validly?<br /><br />The necessary logical deduction there is that Protestants marry validly less often than Catholics, and how can we know that?<br /><br />Not to mention everyone's juicy-yet-still-fruitless favorite topic, EcUmEnIsM!Cameronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43135997657210146812014-09-19T16:08:52.422-04:002014-09-19T16:08:52.422-04:00What evidence do we have that a Cardinal Kasper...What evidence do we have that a Cardinal Kasper's idea of mercy actually results in flocks of people coming back to Church, living more chaste and holy lives, and seeking the Lord more wholly?<br /><br />For that matter, what evidence do we have that an aggressively progressive ecclesiology and pastoral praxis does anything but gut the Church and lose the next generation to atheism?<br /><br />When 12% of all ordinands of 2012 went through a Franciscan University of Steubenville conference.... no hot bed of progressive 'catholic-lite' living... don't we have hard data that the Church grows from higher standards not lower ones?JusadBellumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10388457493331233982014-09-19T12:25:12.705-04:002014-09-19T12:25:12.705-04:00It's good to know that at least some of the Ca...It's good to know that at least some of the Cardinals know that Kasper is "off his rocker". MRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73362272735946137932014-09-19T08:47:29.728-04:002014-09-19T08:47:29.728-04:00"Just the fact that Francis is opening up for..."Just the fact that Francis is opening up for discussion the idea that people living in mortal sin should be allowed reception of communion without prior sorrow, amendment of life and confession, is itself a scandal beyond belief."<br /><br />Pope Francis is asking people to acknowledge they are sinners, all of us, gay, straight, divorced or not remarried without an annulment or not. <br /><br />He is asking us to go to confession and His Holiness is promoting the Sacrament of Reconciliation in a way no modern pope has done and has gone himself publicly to an unsuspecting priest! <br /><br />Cardinal Kasper's solution, while off the wall a bit, is still promoting a period of penance and reconciliation for those he is advocating to be allowed by to the Communion Rail.<br /><br />But with that said in defense of both the pope and Cardinal Kasper, if the Church allows divorced and remarried Catholics (without an annulment) to receive Holy Communion, then no one should be barred including those in civil same sex marriages and any of us with mortal sins. We just acknowledge we are sinners but with no intention to change anything. This is a dangerous slope and this is what the other cardinals are warning the pope and the church in the only way they know they can.<br /><br />Ultimately though, another pope will reign things in. It always happens this way historically. <br /><br />I personally believe as so many high ranking cardinals have said and in the last week or so that what will be adjusted is the annulment procedure. I hope it will be too.<br /><br />I am most concerned about Protestants who want to become CAtholic who find the annulment procedure a stumbling block to them. It seems to me that all Protesstants allow for divorce and remarriage in their churches. <br /><br />For a marriage to be a sacrament even for two baptized Protestants, they must, must, I underscore, believe what the Catholic Church teaches about marriage. How can they when they are Protestants? <br /><br />There should be an extremely streamlined annulment procedure for Protestants in irregular marriage situations who wish to become Catholic!<br />Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-38156271828217639772014-09-19T08:02:55.318-04:002014-09-19T08:02:55.318-04:00Anne Catherine Emmerich:
April 12, 1820: "I ...Anne Catherine Emmerich:<br /><br />April 12, 1820: "I had another vision of the great tribulation. It seems to me that a concession was demanded from the clergy which could not be granted. I saw many older priests, especially one, who wept bitterly. A few younger ones were also weeping. But others, and the lukewarm among them, readily did what was demanded. It was as if people were splitting into two camps."<br /><br />May 13, 1820: "I saw the relationship between the two Popes. I saw how baleful would be the consequences of this false church. I saw it increase in size; heretics of every kind came into the city (of Rome). The local clergy grew lukewarm, and I saw a great darkness. Then, the vision seemed to extend on every side. Whole Catholic communities were being oppressed, harassed, confined, and deprived of their freedom. I saw many churches close down, great miseries everywhere, wars and bloodshed. A wild and ignorant mob took to violent action. But it did not last long."<br /><br />They are now demanding something from him. The Protestant doctrine and that of the schismatic Greeks are to spread everywhere. I now see that in this place (Rome) the (Catholic) Church is being so cleverly undermined, that there hardly remain a hundred or so priests who have not been deceived<br /><br />Our Lady of Akita: <br />The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, and bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their Confreres. The Church and altars will be vandalized. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61366832333463923242014-09-19T08:01:28.048-04:002014-09-19T08:01:28.048-04:00Just the fact that Francis is opening up for discu...Just the fact that Francis is opening up for discussion the idea that people living in mortal sin should be allowed reception of communion without prior sorrow, amendment of life and confession, is itself a scandal beyond belief. <br /><br />Francis keeps saying the Church needs to be "merciful" to these people. I have to ask again what Church and what time period does Francis think we are living in?<br /><br />#1 - 99% of today's "Catholics" do not know the difference between mortal and venial sin.<br /><br />#2 - even if they did know the difference, they don't care because no one is going to tell them what they can and cannot do.<br /><br />#3 - Who are we kidding. No modern "Catholic" gives a dam that the Church says divorced and "remarried Catholic" can't receive communion. They don't feel bad or hurt because no one is going to tell them what they can or can't do.<br /><br />#4 - Nobody cares what the Church teaches anymore because the Church does not uphold Her own teachings and allows those teachings to be compromised or ignored. Example: Cardinal Bravo, he is in a position of power and sends a holy priests to a dangerous cesspool in South Africa for daring to speak the truth.<br /><br />#5 - And for those just itching to mock my use of the # sign, grow up and use your mind and concentrate on what I have written. Be rational and use that reason to argue your position. Be a grown up. The Faith is important and deserves to be treated in an adult manner. <br /><br />And remember speak truth fearlessly and undiplomatically is not being unmercifully or mean or negative. It's the truth. <br /><br />And yes I am crying the "sky is falling" with regard to the Church, because it is falling. And yes this is for Pater Ignotus, you aren't clever, you are just a modernist who is unable to rationally lay out your position without denigrating Tradition and those who are faithful to it. That statement is not uncharitable but true. Yes it is direct and not politically correct. Put on your big boy pants and deal with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-72674110250500866662014-09-19T07:56:01.182-04:002014-09-19T07:56:01.182-04:00Maybe Francis finally realizes the destruction tha...Maybe Francis finally realizes the destruction that he has wrought with his careless remarks and "Who am I to judge" slogan. He bit off a bit more than he could chew..Or he did not think he would have so much resistance to his master plan of "mercy"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43668665075877497152014-09-19T07:27:05.832-04:002014-09-19T07:27:05.832-04:00The REAL problem here begs this question: Why wou...The REAL problem here begs this question: Why would the pope of the Catholic Church be "irritated" at the publication of a book that defends the family?<br /><br />Something is terribly wrong and it goes all the way to the top.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com