tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post114851789717145245..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: BOMBSHELL, POPE FRANCIS MAKES NEW RULES FOR NAMING MONSIGNORS AND NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 65 WILL BE NAMED SUCH! WHAT A RELIEF!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74553192155273558432014-01-07T04:53:50.242-05:002014-01-07T04:53:50.242-05:00If this is a legislative change, why is there noth...If this is a legislative change, why is there nothing about it on the Holy See's website? The Pope may have announced his intention not to confer these honours, but that doesn't mean he has abolished them, and his successor may adopt a different policy.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71279022696881158992014-01-07T00:12:38.740-05:002014-01-07T00:12:38.740-05:00In a continuing spirit of jocularity and based on ...In a continuing spirit of jocularity and based on personal experience, here is one problem with wigs:<br /><br />Though the barrister’s wig was nifty<br />It was also rather itchy;<br />So when he sought to expound the law<br />Inspiration flew out the door.Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42036467756799068202014-01-06T08:13:05.792-05:002014-01-06T08:13:05.792-05:00Joseph Johnson,
I admit to joking around with that...Joseph Johnson,<br />I admit to joking around with that comment, but I do think all judges and court attorneys/barristers should wear them. For that matter, speakers of legislative chambers should wear them. <br /><br />If they were good enough for George Washington, then... It's un-American not to wear one!Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37306943725106000632014-01-05T16:59:22.191-05:002014-01-05T16:59:22.191-05:00Fr. JBS,
I noticed your comment on judicial...Fr. JBS,<br /> I noticed your comment on judicial wigs. They are used in English criminal courts but I believe their use has been discontinued in their civil courts.<br /><br /> If you want to check out a couple of suppliers (just out of curiousity) see the websites for Stanley Ley (they sell the wigs, judge's and barrister's robes and the "tunic" shirts for detachable wing collars--these shirts would also work as clerical shirts with rabat collars). Another such company is Ede and Ravenscroft.Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86943549248003929652014-01-05T14:56:47.847-05:002014-01-05T14:56:47.847-05:00http://www.eyeofthetiber.com/2014/01/05/days-after...<a href="http://www.eyeofthetiber.com/2014/01/05/days-after-abolishing-monsignor-honor-for-priests-pope-abolishes-priest-honor-for-seminarians/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eyeofthetiber.com/2014/01/05/days-after-abolishing-monsignor-honor-for-priests-pope-abolishes-priest-honor-for-seminarians/</a>Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81619946534157952292014-01-05T11:31:41.001-05:002014-01-05T11:31:41.001-05:00Yes and yes, P.I.!!
Heaven help us, indeed...Yes and yes, P.I.!!<br />Heaven help us, indeed...Anon friendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-64417539062029145042014-01-05T08:11:06.196-05:002014-01-05T08:11:06.196-05:00And, Anonymous, you would think of yourself, of co...And, Anonymous, you would think of yourself, of course, as an example of that "quality" Catholic?<br /><br />With your disrespect for the Pope, your insulting attacks on priests, your cynicism, your exaggerated self-regard which is self-righteousness, your broadsides against the bishops of the Church - you represent the "quality" Catholic?<br /><br />Heaven help us. Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-791992992435781392014-01-05T08:08:48.809-05:002014-01-05T08:08:48.809-05:00I'm sure that from a distance the practice of ...I'm sure that from a distance the practice of naming monsignors seems very attractive to some, perhaps even very spiritual, but the closer one gets to the custom the less attractive it can be. Its reputation among diocesan priests is often that of a preparation for episcopal ordination when the honor is conferred on younger (-65) priests, or of a consolation prize for those more important older (+65) priests passed over for such ordination. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3608416595851069552014-01-05T07:59:51.223-05:002014-01-05T07:59:51.223-05:00Charles G,
The new norms seem to apply restriction...Charles G,<br />The new norms seem to apply restrictions to recommendations coming from diocesan bishops. The post-Anglican situation surely requires a different approach, at the very least in the interest of charity. An Anglican "bishop" gives up his seat to enter into full communion with the Church, so that by vacating his seat he is doing the opposite of "ladder climbing".Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42733763545458017162014-01-05T06:11:52.301-05:002014-01-05T06:11:52.301-05:00I think that remains in place for married Anglican...I think that remains in place for married Anglican bishops who are ordained priest and given administrative authority over local Ordinariates. They will be given the highest form so they can use miter and crozier. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1593867684825831152014-01-05T06:07:10.685-05:002014-01-05T06:07:10.685-05:00What about the married Anglican Ordinariate ordina...What about the married Anglican Ordinariate ordinaries? They've all been named protonotaries apostolic and are called Monsignor. Will this prelational honor not be available in the future?Charles Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63680797935292627312014-01-04T23:44:56.553-05:002014-01-04T23:44:56.553-05:00As long as no liberal priests are being named Msgr...As long as no liberal priests are being named Msgr, I'm good with itПравославный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37002329477218954892014-01-04T20:36:38.263-05:002014-01-04T20:36:38.263-05:00FrJBS is a seven-days-a-week priest dedicated to b...FrJBS is a seven-days-a-week priest dedicated to both EF and OF and to the restoration of traditional faith, liturgy, who frequently mentions kneeling and genuflection, sin and confession, penance, fasting and Friday abstinence, hell and the last things.Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53373112069237939062014-01-04T18:41:50.721-05:002014-01-04T18:41:50.721-05:00"Are the hoardes flocking to these churches? ..."Are the hoardes flocking to these churches? No, they are not."<br /><br />The important thing is quality not quantity. Better to have a smaller Church of people who acknowledge their sinfulness yet keep striving to live out the Gospel as it was entrusted to Peter and the apostles. Better that, then a church full of millions who think it's a good thing to promote or tolerate evil under the false guise of compassion. What good is it to have an order of 5,000 nuns who promote/tolerate abortion, gay "marriage"', no longer go to Mass or pray the office and cause discord and false teaching. Better to have an order of 50 sisters who pray, uphold the teachings of the Church which always includes the Corporal and Spiritual works of mercy. The pope just stated, referring to priestly vocations, that yes we accept sinners but not the corrupt. Bravo. Quality not quantity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7428910634754656082014-01-04T18:38:15.101-05:002014-01-04T18:38:15.101-05:00Speaking of customs from the past, I do wish powde...Speaking of customs from the past, I do wish powdered wigs would come back into fashion. I'm hoping the piercing and tattoo culture will add such head wear to its artistic repertoire. I think some judiciaries still use them, so there must be suppliers out there. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6269048398315826562014-01-04T18:33:01.549-05:002014-01-04T18:33:01.549-05:00It's helping people that takes up most of a ty...It's helping people that takes up most of a typical priest's time. Liturgy takes up only a relatively small part of our time. But the liturgy today does take up more time than in the past, since daily Mass homilies are now common and Sunday homilies are emphasized more strongly. <br /><br />Genuflections, meatless Fridays and processions remain important parts of Catholic life in the Western Church. There's nothing preventing a Catholic woman from wearing a veil. <br /><br />Papal monsignors--a purely honorary position in almost all cases--have nothing to do with the liturgy, devotions, penance, the poor or other areas of parochial pastoral care. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8608315065895573352014-01-04T17:19:34.474-05:002014-01-04T17:19:34.474-05:00And are the Eastern Churches, Catholic and Orthodo...And are the Eastern Churches, Catholic and Orthodox, "flourishing" inasmuch as they wear crowns, ornate vesture, and have icon-encrusted churches, etc? Are the hoardes flocking to these churches? No, they are not.<br /><br />So when people bemoan the loss of chapel veils and the like, I remain unconvinced. <br /><br />It's easy to think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, but it is rarely, if ever, true.Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-77420329712489965582014-01-04T16:52:40.223-05:002014-01-04T16:52:40.223-05:00Anonymous (or, as I suspect, Anonymous 1):
“Any c...Anonymous (or, as I suspect, Anonymous 1):<br /><br />“Any comment that is vitriolic and disrespectful of the laity in general, and Pope Francis, bishops and priests in particular will no longer be tolerated and will not be posted!. . . Post an intelligent and civil comment.”<br /><br />As best I can tell, the only measure you meet in many of your comments is evident intelligence. And you were insulting priests. Unfortunately, the lack of respect distracts from the evident intelligence.<br /><br />I am not trying to pick a fight with you but I have to agree with Father McDonald – most priests work very hard; and it is extremely important work at that, even if the world does not always or indeed usually see this. Priests are certainly not irrelevant. <br /><br />So, please, try to have a little more respect for our priests and for our Pope. This is a_Catholic_blog after all.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7391149828358084902014-01-04T15:39:17.928-05:002014-01-04T15:39:17.928-05:00I'm not insulting priests. You priests unknowi...I'm not insulting priests. You priests unknowingly have made yourselves irrelevantly. You do away with this, do away with that. The Catholic Church has always helped the poor and the forgotten, it didn't start with Francis. But the Church has always been a church of the senses. The liturgy not only use to nourish the soul but it engaged all the senses : beautiful churches to pray in, great singing to hear. Incredible vestments, insence, reverence. Outward Catholic identifiers all thrown away into the garbage like chapel veils, genuflections, meatless Fridays, processions etc. And what replaced all this? Nothing. Discarding centuries of traditions is foolish. News flash, the Eastern Catholic Churches and the Orthodox aren't going to give up any of their traditions. Why doesn't Francis tell the Orthodox and Eastern bishops to stop wearing their crowns? After all it's not in the Gospel. See how that one goes over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31410733585163374372014-01-04T15:36:12.958-05:002014-01-04T15:36:12.958-05:00If I couldn't get a job with a railroad, I thi...If I couldn't get a job with a railroad, I think I'd do well in landscaping. My brother's an electrician, but I think plumbing would suit me better if I had to choose a craft. I'm also interested in locksmithing. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24673286354526741902014-01-04T14:17:44.935-05:002014-01-04T14:17:44.935-05:00Somehow you derailed in your comments that devoled...Somehow you derailed in your comments that devoled into insults. Priest work and work pretty darn hard and yes, there are lazy clerical priests, but not all. Not all of us eat pringles, some of us go to discount stores to buy no-named chips!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85226588677040378252014-01-04T14:06:19.096-05:002014-01-04T14:06:19.096-05:00Come on FrJBS what was so wrong with the Renaissan...Come on FrJBS what was so wrong with the Renaissance? It was a great period of reform,the greatest of saints came from it, art flourished in the church. Something tells me you wouldn't have a problem going back to Apostolic times though or the the 1970's. And I bet you will have no tolerance for anyone who disagrees with you. That's just an educated guess, but I bet I'm right. And I bet you aren't going to give up your vacations, central AC, your cable, your dinners out to fancy eateries or your car? To cavalierly say that a beautiful tradition should be thrown into the garbage heap is in my opinion the height of clericalism. I think for the present the title should be given to senior priests because the priesthood is infested with clericalism. Not smells and bells but arrogance. I say priest ought to be made to get a job like Protestant ministers do and earn their own keep. How about that one Father? After all you probably have the laity giving out communion, visiting the sick, teaching CCDS, doing wedding rehearsals. Are you really needed that much, just for Mass, Nobody goes to confession anymore so you must have a lot of free time. So I say put down the Pringles can, turn off the Golden Girls and get a job......like everybody else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8027406096392866952014-01-04T13:37:22.550-05:002014-01-04T13:37:22.550-05:00Just do away with it. It's a silly Renaissanc...Just do away with it. It's a silly Renaissance custom that has nothing to do with the Gospel. That said, I do think there is value in bishops and the pope encouraging priests who get discouraged in their pastoral labors. But a simple phone call will suffice; no need for the poor priest to have to buy purple socks! Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.com