tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1125160454553801121..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: PERHAPS THE REAL PELAGIANS ARE THE POST-VATICAN II INTELLIGENTIA OF THE CHURCH, THE ACADEMIC AND PROFESSIONAL CATHOLICSFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43487236151959898572013-08-27T12:48:00.661-04:002013-08-27T12:48:00.661-04:00FrAJm, you keep writing this stuff and you'll ...FrAJm, you keep writing this stuff and you'll need someone else to start your car each day while you are in Rome. You will of course be driving a 1994 Fiat.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-17792258961186633612013-08-27T12:16:57.820-04:002013-08-27T12:16:57.820-04:00I don't think I was ever taken in by it. I rem...I don't think I was ever taken in by it. I remember in the Michaelmas term (1969) of my first year at Durham University the professor of medieval history, Hilary Seton Offler (not a Catholic) relating how Charlemagne sent to Rome for the liturgical books for use in the imperial chapel at Aachen "which is the rite of Mass still used [pause] I nearly said until the present day [pause] until very recently". I felt deeply ashamed.<br /><br />My entire adult life has been spent trying to avoid the fall-out from Vatican II. Apologies for it are wearing ever thinner. It was a colossal mistake, as John XXIII admitted on his deathbed. That is why I will not condemn the SSPX (I attended a Mass in 1975 celebrated by Marcel Lefebvre in a function room of the Great Western Hotel, Paddington) or pretend that there is some middle ground between orthodoxy and heresy. There isn't. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29955206189172455712013-08-27T12:02:21.557-04:002013-08-27T12:02:21.557-04:00Academia in and of itself is not necessarily a bad...Academia in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing. Higher learning is laudable. Some of our greatest saints were great thinkers like Augustine, Bonaventure and Thomas Aquinas.<br /><br />However, as the saying goes, a little learning is a dangerous thing. We have the challenge of living in an age when the leaders of academia (for instance, Ivy League schools) have taken bad-thinking and elevated it to the realm of "intellectual freedom". The most educated among us are often the most badly educated among us. I don't know any simpler way to say it.<br /><br />We have Catholic colleges that boast of their standing in the Church charging thousands per semester to miseducate our children so that they will come out believing in abortion as a right, homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle, euthanasia as liberation and all manner of dissent as "intellectual freedom". The leaders of these institutions and the young people they graduate look upon the rest of us with condescension because we are not as "enlightened" as they are.<br /><br />Catholic education--make that ALL education--must be reformed and restored to objective universal standards and escape the dictatorship of relativism. That is not going to happen so long as the institutions that should be the most objective, our Catholic institutions, continue to teach falsehood and optional moralities with no consequences from above.<br /><br />Good Pope John might have meant well when he said that he preferred to use the "medicine of mercy" instead of anathemas, but I fear his merciful tendency opened a box of dissent that can only be shut with the lock of "anathema".Dore Scharynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36788966098038314822013-08-27T10:21:08.855-04:002013-08-27T10:21:08.855-04:00I was taught faithful dissent as well, but my 1970...I was taught faithful dissent as well, but my 1970's seminary it was called "loyal opposition" as in political processes. And yes, I thought at the time, the academic theologians teaching us had an inside track and knew something about Vatican II that the pope and bishops at that time (who were trying to reign the silliness in) didn't know. I was a gnostic and thought my gnostic academic professors knew something no one else did but I didn't realize it and that they were/are also Pelagians as was I!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31593983129547011682013-08-27T10:18:13.104-04:002013-08-27T10:18:13.104-04:00Dissent is something that was taught to us during ...Dissent is something that was taught to us during my sophomore year theology at a Jesuit college. I remember thinking that it was wrong, but trusted that the academic priest would not teach us something heretical or wrong in any way. :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com