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Thursday, March 28, 2019

MORE ON THE PAPAL KISSGATE DEBACLE OR WAS IT?


Can you imagine 10s of people kissing you hand. What germs does the 10th one get?

Well...just think of the common chalice and the last few who drink the dregs (which one wonders if it is Precious Blood because it is so diluted with 10s of people's saliva).

The Holy Father has concern for the 10s of people who kiss his hand/ring and the contagion it presents to them and yes to His Holiness.

We know that in Europe it is very unusual for anyone to include priest concelebtrants to drink from the common chalice. It just isn't done out of an abundance of caution when it comes to contagion and epidemics (think of the plague!).

At the Vatican, not even the Cardinal concelebrants drink from a common chalice upon the altar, they intinct their Host. The other concelebrants do the same!

Thus we have yet another clarification from the Vatican this morning concerning the Papal Ringgate:

In comments to reporters today, Vatican spokesman said he asked the this morning why he decided not to let some of the faithful kiss his ring in Loreto. Francis said he didn't want to spread germs among the many who had come to greet him

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Can’t wait for MJK to respond to this...

Dan said...

False humility

Followed by bad press

Followed by excuses

Funny how selective the Vatican seems to be about their clarifications.

Dan said...

If so worried about germs, why shake hands?

Lies....

Anonymous said...

"If so worried about germs, why shake hands?"

Dan, you have joined the ranks of the sensible. Congratulations.

ByzRC said...

Dan said...

"If so worried about germs, why shake hands?"

Because it is a sacrament and, one that to many, has a greater importance than the eucharist.

Anonymous said...

Dan, you have joined the ranks of MJK.

During flu season, I do not shake hands...

TJM said...

ByzRC,

Unfortunately to the lefties in the Church your statement is true.

Anonymous said...

I never liked the idea of the common chalices either. I never liked them from the first day they were introduced and I don’t like them now.

Dan said...

My point was not about the common chalice. It was about the poor and not believable excuse given for Francis' behavior... Francis had no trouble shaking all those germy hands.

Dan said...

btw, I am on MJK's side. My career is working with germs, and one likely comes in contact with MORE germs opening the door to enter the Church building than when receiving the chalice.

TJM said...

Anonymous at 12:15

In our parish grade school they teach this heresy: if you do not receive both the Body AND Blood at Mass you are not fully receiving Holy Communion. FYI, it is a pansuited nun who teaches this.

TJM said...

Dan,

But what would you do in flu season? Take a sip from the common cup? Shake hands with the person next to you during the Pax?

Dan said...

TJM, I would skip if a person exhibited signs of illness and was next to me, or received just before me.

Torquemada said...

"In our parish grade school they teach this heresy: if you do not receive both the Body AND Blood at Mass you are not fully receiving Holy Communion. FYI, it is a pansuited nun who teaches this.

Her name and school name please?

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

Dan,

The excuse is believable, if inadequate, since we both know how many people have little or no understanding of such matters.

rcg said...

I agree that the responses to the ring snatch incident on behalf of Pope Francis make it seem worse than it is.

TJM said...

Torquemada Kavanaugh,

Well if we do that, the investigation should be two-sided, starting with you!!! FYI, I have reported it to my bishop.

rcg said...

FrAJM, you seem sort of squeamish for an Italian, LOL! If you can’t go with casu marzu you’ll need to stick with pecorino. Caccio e pepe is a great Lenten meal.

Joe Potillor said...

The excuses from the Institute of Humbleness TM are indeed quite laughable....We would never speak of these worries in the East, especially when it comes to the common spoon.....something about the whole Divine Physician thing ;)

rcg said...

re: both species: I had a EMHC go into low orbit for not “getting the wine”. He also hated the latest translation on the NO missal. Kept threatening to back to the Methodists.

TJM said...

Rcg, I would have told that person to grow up

rcg said...

I did! But I never heard his reply as I moved to the FSSP parish dow the street. Maybe he was a messenger.

TJM said...

Rcg,

Good for you!

Mark Thomas said...

Pope Benedict XVI was determined to end the practice of kissing the Pope's hand/ring.

"Pope Benedict XVI — revered by the same crowd that detests Francis — tried to end the practice of kissing the pope’s hand, “though no one followed the new protocol,” he lamented to journalist Peter Seewald in his 2010 book Light of the World."

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Dan said...

Mark T., I wish I knew what I could say to convince you that Francis is in no way like his predecessors.

Pope Benedict XVI was erudite, well spoken, clear thinking, well mannered... basically the OPPOSITE.

What we have now is "opposite-pope," an anti-pope, if you will....

Joe Potillor said...

Dan, back when Popes spoke, and acted like popes ;)...he (Pope Benedict XVI) wasn't perfect, but one did not have to be nervous anytime there was a camera or microphone in front of him.